[Irine]

http://media.putfile.com/daddy-end

why did this singer wanted to sing about his case of abuse? he tried in the studio and got emotional and then again.... on live performance. i guess he felt it when he wrote the song too, didn`t he?

why do you think he does it to himself? hexposing himself to every one and remembers what we all want to forget?

here is all the song: http://media.putfile.com/Daddy-77-68

Well, I hope you don't mind, I didn't listen to the song... I can get triggered with some descriptions of abuse and so I thought not to take the chance...

but.... in answer to your question... Why would someone let their abuse story be so public??

I think it's that--- we are all so so different and what works for one person may be THE worst thing for someone else..... I would hope that his actions are what is helping him to heal and if so-- I say "Hooray" for him.... better to take steps towards healing than to stay in the muck... with that said though.... being public I don't believe is something we all need to do to heal.... everyone has their own healing path-- finding it sometimes is the biggest challenge.

ladymacabeth--

mandy

[tranquility]

Okay - I tried to listen to it, but couldn't understand a word of it - heavy metal with alot of screaming.

But anyhow - this is just how some people work through their abuse. I guess it's like saying why a woman would go through a court case to prosecute.

The reason that rape, child incest, ect. is more known about and warned about is because people stood up and told their story to try to help prevent it happening from someone else.

I guess this singer is giving a message to people who like this kind of music and maybe one person will hear it and think about it - it could make a difference.

Tranquility

[mtd]

I didn't listen to the music. However, I think I know why he would sing about abuse and expose his painful past in public. I think I know because I have admitted my past several times in public when testifying before legislative committees.

I did it first to try to get non-survivors to understand what we need from them to help us heal. I needed to answer the question of why, so many years after the abuse ended, it was still so real and so important to face, and why I needed help from society, as do other survivors.

I also did it because I wanted to prove to myself that I really had nothing to be ashamed of. The "dirty secret" was a secret for so long because those who abused me demanded secrecy, and threatened to kill me if I told. Telling what they did too that power away from them -- they had that power for far too long. I took it back.

This is not to say all survivors should suddenly run out and proclaim their past in public. That could be very dangerous. Public disclosure needs to be done carefully and only when you are truly ready. It can be very painful and very traumatic to admit this past in public. And you also have to be ready for reactions that are not supportive -- I got a couple of those. I recommend only doing so with professional help and the support of other survivors. You will know when you are ready. If you have doubts, you're probably not ready.

I'm glad I did it, for me and to help other survivors. But I'm also glad I waited until I was many years into recovery.

I desperately want to forget what was done to me. But that won't happen, so I must deal with it. I think the singer is doing that too.

Hope this helps.

be well,

mtd

mtd,,, you mirror my own feelings... there was a time, when I would rather have died than admit I was abused, I am so thankful for therapy. That includes the abuse by my husband.

There are times though when I feel that educating other people is a daunting task - but I continue onward.

I was talking to another woman yesterday, she is trying to raise money for her emotional support service dog. We had found each other thru a website thru her fund raising effort... Anyhow, we both feel that the area of the US where we live is so extremely conservative - abuse hidden and it's lingering after effects never to be acknowledged - to be kept in "the family".
Since her service dog is for the emotional support - and it also detects when she is about to pass out from stress of being around the public- she has found very few people that understand and are willing to help.
So for me, I have this great need to educate so that others will get the support they need. It helps me with my own recovery.
Since there are no more secrets for me, there is such a lessing of the shame..

[Irine]

here are the lyrics:

"Daddy"

Mother please forgive me
I just had to get out all my pain and suffering
Now that I am done, remember I will always love you
I'm your son

Little child, looking so pretty
Come out and play, I'll be your daddy
Innocent child, looking so sweet
A rape in my eyes and on your flesh I'll eat

You've raped!
I feel dirty
It hurt!
As a child
Tied down!
That's a good boy
And %#@&#!!
Your own child
I scream!
No one hears me
It hurt!
I'm not a liar
My God!
Saw you watching
Mommy why?!
Your own child

It's alright

I didn't touch you there
Mama said she didn't care
I didn't touch you there
That's why mama stopped and stared

I %#@&#! hate you! Mother %#@&#!!
Mother %#@&#!! I %#@&#! hate you! %#@&#! You!
You son of a *****, you %#@&#! ruined my life!
I wanted to die!
I'm sick of it, mother %#@&#! . . . oh oh
Why'd you %#@&#!'n do it to me?
I Hate You!
I %#@&#! Hate You!
I Hate You!
Why?!
I Hate You!

thanks for giving an opinion

[Irine]

it`s not his parents how abused him, but they didn`t believe him when he told them, becasue at the begining he told them from sort of jokes.....

ho God! i rememeber how i was their crazy fan...dream of meeting the band..i still love them.
some of their songs inspired me to write a WHOLE NOVEL

[Irine]

i agree with you, mtd
yes you know what frustrated me most was a pic of him lying on the flour of te stage, after one of the croud threw an apple on his head-might sound funny-an apple on your head- but HECK IT`S NOT !!
it`s like he broke down and cried in the middle of the song and the croud..is just a croud.

i wrote a lyric about a similar subject, (far from being as bad as his, thanks God) and i wouldn`t even try to compose them.

sorry to be old and dense, but who is singing?

it's a VERY intense song. makes my heart ache.

em

[jaberwocky]

<font color="#880000"> I belive that his reasoning for doing it was as stated in the beginning.... had to get it out.

I do not know if the abuse actually happen to him or if he maybe knew someone or heard of something that inspired him to write it from the perspective of the victim. Perhaps you know the details?

I would definitly rather not remember anything, and I am very fortunate tha tI only remember bits and peices, however not all are lucky enough. Some remember every minut eof every instance. Art is a great form of therapy... any form of art.

I admire people that are able to put their suffering out there, I think that it helps alot of people that may otherwise fell alone, ashamed , or afraid of what has happen to them.

I believe that anyone stong enough to speak of their abuse publicly, especially well know people, should.

People should be aware that this happens to far too many children.
People should know it is ok to tell, and they should be believed.

There are many songs about abuse of this nature,

I think the why of the action is appearant.

Thank you for sharing this song, I have not listen to Korn in a while. That is a very power full song indeed.
Thank you again

~Alice </font>

[DePressMe]

I too am fairly open about my abuse. I feel like standing up and admitting that it happened will help keep it from being pushed under the carpet. Also, sometimes people come talk to me about their abuse. I try really hard to set a good example and show people that recovery is possible.

[Irine]

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emily4040 said:
sorry to be old and dense, but who is singing?

it's a VERY intense song. makes my heart ache.

em

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it is Jonathan Davis, Korn.

[Irine]

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jaberwocky said:
<font color="#880000"> I belive that his reasoning for doing it was as stated in the beginning.... had to get it out.

I do not know if the abuse actually happen to him or if he maybe knew someone or heard of something that inspired him to write it from the perspective of the victim. Perhaps you know the details?

I would definitly rather not remember anything, and I am very fortunate tha tI only remember bits and peices, however not all are lucky enough. Some remember every minut eof every instance. Art is a great form of therapy... any form of art.

I admire people that are able to put their suffering out there, I think that it helps alot of people that may otherwise fell alone, ashamed , or afraid of what has happen to them.

I believe that anyone stong enough to speak of their abuse publicly, especially well know people, should.

People should be aware that this happens to far too many children.
People should know it is ok to tell, and they should be believed.

There are many songs about abuse of this nature,

I think the why of the action is appearant.

Thank you for sharing this song, I have not listen to Korn in a while. That is a very power full song indeed.
Thank you again

~Alice </font>

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so you listen to Kron?? you like them?
most people i know don`t know them. there were times i didn`t know whom to shae it with when being their fan.

the abuse ACTUALLY HAPPENED to him.
he told his parrents and they didn`t believe him. that is why he says "my God i`m not a lier"

poor kid!
not enough to be abused - his parents didn`t believe him
he had a HARD life. Jonathan,
he also suffered post traumatic stress disorder0he worked in as an assistentin that place..patalogy? where they get the dead bodies, examin them. so he said that he saw there victims of suicied, car crashes, etc, some of whom were peopel he talked to yesteday and now lying dead infront of his eyes.

[Irine]

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DePressMe said:
I too am fairly open about my abuse. I feel like standing up and admitting that it happened will help keep it from being pushed under the carpet. Also, sometimes people come talk to me about their abuse. I try really hard to set a good example and show people that recovery is possible.

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yes i think it demands a strong characted, to be open about such things.

[Irine]

ahummm...........

here is the lyrics of "pretty"
he says:
"it`s a story about this little baby girl that came into the conrner`s office where i was workign. she was %#@&amp;#! by her Dad. she was an 11 moths old baby girl. her legs were brokn behind her and he just %#@&amp;#! her like a toy dall and chucked her in the bathroom. it was the most henious thing i have ever seen in my life and i stil have nightmares about it."

"Pretty"

So... so love.
Wait, but I don't realize.
Small, white legs
Broke, the pain between her thighs
I see your pretty face,
Smashed against the bathroom floor!
What a disgrace!
Who do I feel sorry for?
Skin... so cold.
Could, could someone steal a life?
Save... the blame.
Wait, I got some %#@&amp;#! to say.
I see your pretty face,
smashed against the bathroom floor!
What a disgrace!
Who do I feel sorry for?
Smashed and raped!
Not again. This is a real crime.
What a pretty face.
Who do I feel sorry for?
RAPE! Something...
NOW! Rips my...
HEART! And takes...
MY! Soul I...
WAIT! Too late...
NOW! I feel...
RAPED! Inside...
TAKE! My soul away....
Away....
I see your pretty face,
smashed against the bathroom floor!
What a disgrace!
Who do I feel sorry for?
Smashed and raped!
Not again. This is a real crime.
What a pretty face.
Who do I feel sorry for...

[Irine]

ho but i REALLY WANTET to post was this one bout:

it was meant to anybody who was abused. said it meant to remind that there is always someone online or a friend to talk to...i suppose to say there is hope...

do you actually SEE it in the song?
becasue i don`t really know...dodn`t see this idea in this song

the song itself i found it very touching. i mean the music.

"Falling Away From Me"

Hey, I'm feeling tired.
My time, is gone today.
You flirt with suicide.
Sometimes, that's ok.
Do what others say.
I'm here, standing hollow.
Falling away from me.
Falling away from me.
Day, is here fading.
That's when, I would say.
I flirt with suicide.
Sometimes kill the pain.
I can always say.
'It's gonna be better tomorrow'.
Falling away from me.
Falling away from me.

Beating me down.
Beating me, beating me.
Down, down.
Into the ground.
Screaming some sound.
Beating me, beating me.
Down, down.
Into the ground.

(falling away from me).
It's spinning round and round.
(falling away from me).
It's lost and can't be found.
(falling away from me).
It's spinning round and round.
(falling away from me).
Slow it down.

Beating me down.
Beating me, beating me.
Down, down.
Into the ground.
Screaming some sound.
Beating me, beating me.
Down, down.
Into the ground.

Twisting me, they won't go away.
So I pray, go away.

Life's falling away from me.
It's falling away from me.
Life's falling away from me.
%#@&amp;#!!

Beating me down.
Beating me, beating me.
Down, down.
Into the ground.
Screaming some sound.
Beating me, beating me.
Down, down.
Into the ground.