[HockingPastryChef]

Ok, at the beginning of my job a few times I had left an hour to 2 hours because I was done with my work already. I didn't see a point of standing around. Then my supervisor asked me why I had been leaving earlier I told him because I was done with my work. I had done that a few times because other wise I will leave around 30 minutes earlier if I'm done with my work on a normal basis. Which I told him I understand. It was stupid to leave that early when I'm full time.

Today he had asked me after it's been a few months what time I had left yesterday. I told him the time and asked him why he asked. He said because I didn't see a point of you coming in today when you left earlier yesterday (an hour). I told him I didn't mind coming in today, which today was my day off. He still kept getting on me about how he doesn't understand why I had to leave an hour earlier. I ended up telling him more on how the weather was terrible. The roads were a level 3 snow emergency too. That is why else I wanted to get out of there. I was coming in today to get more hours so I didn't see an issue.

I ended up working several hours today so I could get more hours in for leaving earlier and for calling off Monday do to terrible roads.

This supervisor keeps getting on me about "my own" hours. Which other employees get off an hour earlier a couple times a week and he doesn't say anything about that to them. And no this isn't an excuse. ha

I understand it's best to work your full hours which I have told him. Though it gets on my nerves on how this supervisor can be rather manipulative.

I wanted to see your viewpoints. Thank you!

[Perna]

I think if you leave early just because you feel your work is done and you "don't see a point in standing around" but then want to work "extra" hours to make up for it, that does sound like making your own hours. I know I took off early every week (to go to therapy) but had it all cleared with the supervisor, etc. so comparing with what others are doing is not necessarily the same as we don't know what their arrangements and relationship with their bosses/management are? I think you probably, when you want to leave early, especially because you have finished something, you should at least tell your supervisor you would like to leave and see if there isn't something else they have for you to do or if they agree that there's no point in your sitting around (and/or go over what work there will be later in the week, etc.)?

Originally Posted by HockingPastryChef

Ok, at the beginning of my job a few times I had left an hour to 2 hours because I was done with my work already. I didn't see a point of standing around. Then my supervisor asked me why I had been leaving earlier I told him because I was done with my work. I had done that a few times because other wise I will leave around 30 minutes earlier if I'm done with my work on a normal basis. Which I told him I understand. It was stupid to leave that early when I'm full time.


Today he had asked me after it's been a few months what time I had left yesterday. I told him the time and asked him why he asked. He said because I didn't see a point of you coming in today when you left earlier yesterday (an hour). I told him I didn't mind coming in today, which today was my day off. He still kept getting on me about how he doesn't understand why I had to leave an hour earlier. I ended up telling him more on how the weather was terrible. The roads were a level 3 snow emergency too. That is why else I wanted to get out of there. I was coming in today to get more hours so I didn't see an issue.


I ended up working several hours today so I could get more hours in for leaving earlier and for calling off Monday do to terrible roads.


This supervisor keeps getting on me about "my own" hours. Which other employees get off an hour earlier a couple times a week and he doesn't say anything about that to them. And no this isn't an excuse. ha


I understand it's best to work your full hours which I have told him. Though it gets on my nerves on how this supervisor can be rather manipulative.


I wanted to see your viewpoints. Thank you!

I don't think the supr is being manipulative. If you feel your work is or will be finished early let him know beforehand so he has the option to give you something else to do. He may indeed prefer you stand around for an hour. That's his prerogative. You are making your own hours if you are showing up on unscheduled days because you left early. Not to be harsh but if I were him I would wonder why I needed a ft person at all. I would want someone who is both efficient and proactive. It could be the other employees have established that trust and communication.

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[HockingPastryChef]

Originally Posted by Perna

I think if you leave early just because you feel your work is done and you "don't see a point in standing around" but then want to work "extra" hours to make up for it, that does sound like making your own hours. I know I took off early every week (to go to therapy) but had it all cleared with the supervisor, etc. so comparing with what others are doing is not necessarily the same as we don't know what their arrangements and relationship with their bosses/management are? I think you probably, when you want to leave early, especially because you have finished something, you should at least tell your supervisor you would like to leave and see if there isn't something else they have for you to do or if they agree that there's no point in your sitting around (and/or go over what work there will be later in the week, etc.)?

I see what you are saying, though I had told my supervisor it was because I wanted a few more hours added on before I had left yesterday. I wanted more hours because of Monday.

He normally is gone by the time I am ready to leave. He either is in another kitchen or elsewhere. Which I realize I can explain that to him.

I normally ask the other employees to see if they have extra work that I can help them with too.

[HockingPastryChef]

Originally Posted by Michanne

I don't think the supr is being manipulative. If you feel your work is or will be finished early let him know beforehand so he has the option to give you something else to do. He may indeed prefer you stand around for an hour. That's his prerogative. You are making your own hours if you are showing up on unscheduled days because you left early. Not to be harsh but if I were him I would wonder why I needed a ft person at all. I would want someone who is both efficient and proactive. It could be the other employees have established that trust and communication.

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I don't know beforehand when I'll be done is why I don't let him know and have told him; it's different each time. I wanted to add more hours due to Monday and I explained that too.

I don't know what you had meant by ft person.

Originally Posted by HockingPastryChef

I don't know beforehand when I'll be done is why I don't let him know and have told him. I wanted to add more hours due to Monday and I explained that.


I don't know what you had meant by ft person too. ?

Ft=full time. I am often in positions where it is hard to estimate the time to complete and therefore end up with extra time but no direction. In those cases I ask them before hand if they have "fill in" tasks that I could pick up at those times. Those are just little stuff to fill in the time. Otherwise I self train. I have no idea if that is something you can do as a pastry chef in an active kitchen but it seems reasonable. I am presuming that is the job. If they asked you to be there for a certain number of hours and you agree is it not reasonable for them to expect you to be there the entire time?

My hunch is this is really about proactive communication. If you are proactively communicating with your boss you are building trust and learning queues on what is acceptable. Iow, don't wait for him to come to you. My guess is the other employees have done that which is why they know when it is cool to leave and when it is not. You may need to stand around for a while in order to earn his trust and respect.

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[RRex]

If you're paid for so many hours of work then that's what you should give your employer. Find work to do to occupy yourself.

[HockingPastryChef]

I want to thank you for the comments. I realize it is stupid to be upset over hours. Though I had told him that I wanted to leave that extra hour earlier yesterday because of the weather and wanted extra hours made up today due to Monday.

This isn't a common thing I do. Which I had posted that I did that a few months ago which wasn't right. I had done it once more a few months later (yesterday). I keep track of my full-time hours and know that I am getting them.

And thinking about this topic and comments helps me quite a bit.

[HockingPastryChef]

Originally Posted by RRex

If you're paid for so many hours of work then that's what you should give your employer. Find work to do to occupy yourself.

Yes I agree, I do my best to do so. I am thinking of asking my manager and supervisor about making stuff for events ahead now because I have so much more time being a full-time baker now. I was part-time then changed to full-time. It's the management and organizing that can be difficult. I am figuring it out slowly.

[HockingPastryChef]

Originally Posted by Michanne

Ft=full time. I am often in positions where it is hard to estimate the time to complete and therefore end up with extra time but no direction. In those cases I ask them before hand if they have "fill in" tasks that I could pick up at those times. Those are just little stuff to fill in the time. Otherwise I self train. I have no idea if that is something you can do as a pastry chef in an active kitchen but it seems reasonable. I am presuming that is the job. If they asked you to be there for a certain number of hours and you agree is it not reasonable for them to expect you to be there the entire time?

My hunch is this is really about proactive communication. If you are proactively communicating with your boss you are building trust and learning queues on what is acceptable. Iow, don't wait for him to come to you. My guess is the other employees have done that which is why they know when it is cool to leave and when it is not. You may need to stand around for a while in order to earn his trust and respect.

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Yes, I agree. Being proactive is great!

Though standing around isn't something good in my thoughts. That is worthless hours there of do no work. I do not want to get paid for doing nothing. Which I do plan to ask him if he has extra work for me to do to get my full days worth of hours. I had noticed my manager is starting to have me bake more items instead of him ordering now which helps and probably because he had noticed that I have more time.

[NWgirl2013]

I negotiated a shorter work day for a few months, years ago, 30 hrs instead of the usual 40. My employer only did it because I said I could do the full days work in a shorter amount of time, which I did, I worked circles around everyone else. (yea, I was probably annoying)
But in the end, management felt they paid me full time, and expected me to Be There, every second of that 40 hrs, being busy, on their schedule, not mine. Period.
I learned to be even busier, do more, train more, filling those hours, because management has a certain expectation; to see your face during certain hours. It's their game, they call the shots.The end. I think that is just the way it is...

[Perna]

Yes, NWgirl, I did the same sort of thing, made a comment to the company owner in a meeting that "you only need me about 8 hours a week, you just don't know which 8 hours" (my immediate boss/vice president held everything up by not doing his work and then when he was finally yelled and screamed at enough to do it, things happened all together in a short period of time) and suddenly the next day the executive vice president had made me a part-time worker instead of full-time