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Jimi, do what you have to do for yourself!
the rest will fall into place.
Maybe you will see who your true friends are?
sending strength to you today....
bizi

They are indeed good friends. But friends can't know everything about every subject on earth. They are not god.

Hey @jimi:

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TG for kratom. Sporadic use not to be hooked on that instead but man, it helps. If it wasn't for kratom, I wouldn't stand a chance.

]Kratom: Unsafe and ineffective - Mayo Clinic

DrugFacts: Kratom | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Do you have any own comment or just links?

Doing drugs is much more unsafe than coming off them with a little help of kratom. It doesn't mean you stay on kratom for life. It helped me a lot in the taper process, and without it I would not been able to taper at all. Less quit. It has become quite a common way of quitting where I am at. If people manage to quit, I don't think that is a good time of lecturing them they quit in the "wrong way".

Excuse me but I was not lecturing anyone. I was sharing links to information. I’ll comment more later. As an alcoholic in recovery in chronic pain, I identify with your issues. I wasn’t passing judgement, I have no business judging people with addictions. We are all brothers and sisters

I am just guessing since you just posted links. That is why it's good to also add your own comment.

hey jimi! I saw this thread in todays posts and i now understand why you're not feeling well. I hope it gets better very soon for ya! Sending my best thoughts

Thx! Yea, it'll get better... but man does it take time...

Growing back dopamine at a steep rate. A few weeks, and it's back online even it's not where it should be, still tired and really unmotivated but mood wise I'm basically fine. Dysphoria ended, stopped being a total grump. I think my friends like having their easy going smiling laughing friend back. I'll be danged.

Glad you're recovering, and feeling better.

You are doing awesome, Jimi!!!!!!! So happy for you and proud of you, as a fellow tramadol addict in recovery. Hardest thing I have ever done.

Even if I'm not glad for your suffering (of course!), I'm glad someone understands this is a "thing". I heard so many times this is just a light addiction, it's so not. My friend's friend who is also struggling started quitting before me and isn't through it yet. I understand that, because it is difficult indeed.

OK that the physical withdrawals from buprenorphine hit me harder than those from Tramadol, "only" Tramadol withdrawals are bad enough. And since Tramadol affects more transmittor substances it is a more complex drug, so it is basically like coming off two things.

This substance isn't anything toying around with. Where I live it's soon the number one drug to die from. Cheap and accessible.

Since I'm actually doing a lot better I'm here if anyone wants specific help on quitting so called mild opioids. When I quit, I actually had several "friends" who quit at the same time. One I think isn't fully clean but lies about it, one was struggling really hard and hadn't taken anything for ages but still never got OK, so he went back to using, but with a load more care, and two people got totally clean, one actually off oxy, which I feel is out of my league and a more hardcore drug. So seems my little gang had a decent success rate.

One thing that irks me is that a lot of web pages has on them it takes 1-3 weeks to quit and feel normal again. This is serious misinformation.

But it's like how the web has become. Google likes to push pages that are very shallow, and if you need something deep, you need to use DDG or scroll through loads of pages. Daym I hate Google of today.