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Old Nov 07, 2012, 02:45 PM
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When it comes to dealing with humanity though, statics are just sooooo boring though! No, seriously though, have we "advanced" so much that we can quantify human lives, emotions, and perhaps human nature in itself? Anyone with an academic background can tell you that, assuming you have a reliable source, various sources provide various statistics for almost anything. Somethings the varying statistics are similar, and sometimes provide different conclusions.

Objective thinking alone is useless without subjective thoughts. We're dealing with humanity at large, not mathematics. And can suicide and happiness really be intertwined statistically? Some of the statistically happiest countries in the world have the highest suicide rates by %, yet others that are on that list are considered very very happy.

Statistically speaking, Lithuania has the highest suicide rate in the world...AFTER the fall of communism and the country moved well on ahead compared to their other Baltic neighbours. After the quality of life went up, so to speak. So once again, is suicide a statistic we can really use to help deal with happiness? Let's try to not quantify happiness with such a silly statistic.
First off, I do love that poem so. But it's sad. Cause this is how we are seen. Maybe it is one of the reasons why we feel the way we do? Some of us are just more sensitive and take it harder.
Maybe alienation is sort of trauma.

I guess it bothers me when people view others as statistic. Once I seen a blog of some MH "advocate" who was all over statistics (to the degree that if somebody told her about bad experience, her reply was "sorry to hear, BUT...").

So stastics are often pointless, can be falsified (I worked in market researcher. Mom did opinion polls... and I hate to admit it, but sometimes when you don!t get enough respondents, you fake few questionaires. Funnily, somebody once linked me to happiness in eastern bloc research which my mom did among other things). There's many ways to interpret them. They lack soul.

Norway's suicide are quite high up. And it's number one (or at least in the top consistenly) on human development index.
Suicide rates have to a lot with culture and you cannot really create data on "are Russians more decandent then the Dutch". How'd you measure decadence?

And yet, it makes sense to discuss this. We can learn a lot from qualitative research too, even if it's not so clearly interpreted and it's much harder to do.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 04:05 PM
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LOVE this thread!!!! I love a good, hearty, passionate discussion on philosophical issues. Such as this one. I believe that happiness is, like so many other things, based on perception. We each define happiness for ourselves. What make me happy might not make you happy. So how do you measure happiness? When the definition is not even set? This is one of the beauties of life. Humans are not definable. We are complex, intertwined, living, pulsing, beings with body, soul, and mind. Life is effervescent, not easily pinned down. And that is the best part about it, for me.
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Somewhere ages and ages hence:
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I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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Thanks for this!
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Old Nov 08, 2012, 11:56 AM
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from a poem I wrote some time ago...

"...We tried ideologies
and they failed us miserably
so we turn to drugs, God or consumerism
some of us headed to unknown places
seeking Zen or existentialism..."


I think our problem is we are told how should happy look like. We are told what should we want. A person that refuses the social standards of "happy" is seen as bit crazy and weird (I live in village. So I know a lot about it. The weird one who has no boyfriend and travels to weird places).
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