[Thoughtbubble]

doooooont watch this if you are feeling hopeless!!!!! (trigger warning: this is very controversial)

I just think anyone with "MI" should see this, it's very harsh but it makes an interesting argument

[Anika.]

Thanks for posting this. I am interested in what they have to say, it's long so I just did a quick skim for now, so maybe later tonight. Looks interesting.

You might want to add a trigger warning to it, just because of some of the content and graphics.

[LucyG]

Thanks for sharing. I'll watch it later when I'm ready to play cards and need something to listen to.

It's very scary how people turn themselves over to Pdocs who put them on all sorts of hideous meds, and if the person doesn't like it, they're told they'll be fired by the doctor for noncompliance. That happened to my neighbor when she talked to her Pdoc about trying some amino acids I gave her, and showed him a book on treating depression naturally. She was too scared of losing him to go against his wishes.

There's a reason Pdocs have the highest suicide rates......

[Anneinside]

Actually dentists have the highest suicide rate, then psychiatrists.

[LucyG]

Originally Posted by Anneinside

Actually dentists have the highest suicide rate, then psychiatrists.

Yeah, I think you're right now that I think about it.

Makes you wonder what's wrong with these professions if so many of them are so miserable they kill themselves?

[LucyG]

Wow, I just watched the first 5 minutes of that video, and it's so upsetting, I'll have to finish it later.

I'm beyond grateful I got out of the mental health system as all it takes is one Pdoc to decide you're whatever, and they can have to locked up for 72 or more hours until you comply with what they want you to do.

People need to give some very serious consideration to whether they want to let bureaucrats run their lives, and force them to take drugs that might be causing unwanted side-effects. And if anyone actually thinks their Pdoc or T actually cares for them, ask yourself if they would know you if they ran into you at a public event. Would that person be your friend there? Most likely not. So why do they have all the control over your life? Just something to think about.........

[Anneinside]

My psychiatrist and psychologist both care about my welfare. I saw my psychologist at a gas station and she knew me... I saw my psychiatrist at a grocery store and she stopped and smiled and nodded at me. I have no doubt she knew me. When I see her (pdoc) she asks me if I am still seeing my tdoc by name, asks me other questions about my life that shows she knows me. When she picks up my sheet from outside the room and clicks my record open on her laptop she doesn't have time to read all those things about me.... she KNOWS them. Are they my friends? No, they are part of my support system and professionals with appropriate boundaries. But that doesn't stop them from caring about me.

Both my T and pdoc have known and interacted with me out of the context of their offices. They know me well and have been strong supports. They are not my friends. That would not be their role in my life. They are not "in control " of my life. They work WITH me and respect my opinions concerning my mental health needs.

[Confusedinomicon]

You get better doctors and better care when you have money and better insurance. When you can pay for a doctor through insurance it probably means they are a private practice.

Public doctors are often overwhelmed. They have A LOT more patients and will often see them for a shorter amount of time. When you have more money the doctor will tend to see you for 30-45 minutes a session. When you don't have money, most sessions are 15 minutes.

When it comes down to it, money talks.

A good doctor will reduce the amount of medications you are taking so you're only taking one medication for a specific problem. A good doctor will be aware of drug-interactions and drug psychosis. A good doctor is not overworked. Most doctors are.

[~Christina]

I have never felt like any doctor I have seen medical or psych controls me or forces me to do anything. I guess I am lucky? or maybe I refuse to allow something like that to happen.

I see my Pdoc and T through a county facility that accepts insurance or sliding scale for non insured. When I needed inpatient I had no insurance and was admitted to the best psych hospital in a major city. I guess I must be one hell of a Lucky person. LOL

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by Anneinside

My psychiatrist and psychologist both care about my welfare. I saw my psychologist at a gas station and she knew me... I saw my psychiatrist at a grocery store and she stopped and smiled and nodded at me. I have no doubt she knew me. When I see her (pdoc) she asks me if I am still seeing my tdoc by name, asks me other questions about my life that shows she knows me. When she picks up my sheet from outside the room and clicks my record open on her laptop she doesn't have time to read all those things about me.... she KNOWS them. Are they my friends? No, they are part of my support system and professionals with appropriate boundaries. But that doesn't stop them from caring about me.

I write letters and fax them to my new p-doc. He is VERY young, and very sharp. He puts my letters in the chart and quotes from them without looking at the text. LONG quotes verbatim! I should compliment him on his memory next time I see him.

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by LucyG

And if anyone actually thinks their Pdoc or T actually cares for them, ask yourself if they would know you if they ran into you at a public event. Would that person be your friend there? Most likely not. So why do they have all the control over your life? Just something to think about.........

Do your true friends have control over your life?

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by Confusedinomicon

You get better doctors and better care when you have money and better insurance. When you can pay for a doctor through insurance it probably means they are a private practice.

Public doctors are often overwhelmed. They have A LOT more patients and will often see them for a shorter amount of time. When you have more money the doctor will tend to see you for 30-45 minutes a session. When you don't have money, most sessions are 15 minutes.

When it comes down to it, money talks.

A good doctor will reduce the amount of medications you are taking so you're only taking one medication for a specific problem. A good doctor will be aware of drug-interactions and drug psychosis. A good doctor is not overworked. Most doctors are.

The best care that I have received in 6 years has been through Santa Clara County (another name for the Silicon Valley) department of mental health for free. Long unrushed visits. Free medications through the mail. Weekly follow-up during a crisis period. Absolutely nothing left to be desired. Granted, Silicon Valley is rich, so this particular department of mental health is well funded.

I have been to exorbitantly expensive private p-docs and Ts with disastrous results.

[Victoria'smom]

I have not finished watching the movie but....

I had one Pdoc that I felt forced to take meds because she always threatened hospitalization if not. My current pdoc I feel is almost a friend. I go to a clinic where all of the pdoc and T's are really over-booked but they always makes my husband, my son and me feel like there only patients.

[Anika.]

I have had a good pdoc, careing. And I currently have a not good pdoc. Pdoc's vary as much as people because they are people. However they most all are inclined to put you on medications if you are their patient, it's their primary job. So they do have a bias or they would not have a job.

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by Anika.

I have had a good pdoc, careing. And I currently have a not good pdoc. Pdoc's vary as much as people because they are people. However they most all are inclined to put you on medications if you are their patient, it's their primary job. So they do have a bias or they would not have a job.

Most definitely, both in how they vary and in their bias. But... not necessarily. I have a friend in Maine who went to see a p-doc and the guy told him to exercise and stuff and only come back if these things do not help. My friend does not take meds. I am not exactly sure what his dx is but I can ask.

[Confusedinomicon]

Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

Most definitely, both in how they vary and in their bias. But... not necessarily. I have a friend in Maine who went to see a p-doc and the guy told him to exercise and stuff and only come back if these things do not help. My friend does not take meds. I am not exactly sure what his dx is but I can ask.

Exercise works better for people with situational depression/anxiety. The Pdoc was right in doing that because anti-depressants are typically not effective with this type of depression/anxiety. If they made the life style change and it wasn't working, anti-d's would be the way to go...my opinion.

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by Confusedinomicon

Exercise works better for people with situational depression/anxiety. The Pdoc was right in doing that because anti-depressants are typically not effective with this type of depression/anxiety. If they made the life style change and it wasn't working, anti-d's would be the way to go...my opinion.

The friend is the son of my ex husband's old old gf, so it is through ex that I know the story. Ex thought that it was because the p-doc is on the East Coast; that a California p-doc would have prescribed something. I have no idea whether there is any truth to it; I only used p-docs in California and have no basis for comparison.

In September I had COMPLETELY triggerless anxiety, 100% non-situational, and I tried exercise and Klonopin for it and exercise worked better, being more effective. So I think for biologically caused diseases it is still effective. And it should be - it works on your brain chemistry.

[Confusedinomicon]

I agree 1000% on your last statement.

[dillpickle1983]

I watched this movie several months ago. I don't agree with it 100% but it does make light of certain things, its something everyone should watch.