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Old Jun 11, 2014, 08:46 PM
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Hi,
We have been married since 2 years. From quite the beginning he couldn't handle conversations. Just short and sweet as he always said. They affect his brain and make it uncomfortable so I had to deal with him just getting up during conversation, leaving the room or doing other things to distract himself.
He has (at present) every day headaches, noise in the head and tightness at the back of his brain. They go up and down but are always at least at low level. Before he met me he had some scans as he thought he had a tumor but it turned out that he didn't.

After we married his head symptoms got worse or it just showed more as he was in no emotional relationship since 12 years. His wife died 2008, they were divorced 2001. Married again bec of insurance and her cancer in 2005. He never had another woman just me and her.

After a while there were strange things like anger. He could be super nice, saying I love you forever and doing lots of things for me what other man wouldn't do but then there are the days when he is different, irritable and gets upset over something small. It gets him into another stage where he looses all his feelings and emotions. He has no compassion or desire for me anymore and doesn't care what happens. In that stage he is very unreasonable, rude and doesn't love me!!!!
When we married he had tears in his eyes hugged me and said he will make me as happy as possible. 2 days later at a minor thing he wanted out and a divorce. Next day he took it back and cried. That happened often in the beginning.
After lots of bad stuff including one time him running after me and putting a pillow on my face to stop me to talk, and lots of ups and downs we went to a psychiatrist and he said its bipolar rapid cycling. He was 74. We went again 6 months later this time the guy was 78 and said I agree with my colleague but he could hardly write. I don't trust them. I had also met some girl on the internet who forwarded my mails to a mount Sinai NY hospital psychiatrist and she said I think it's schizoaffective disorder but she hasn't seen him.

I don't know what he really has but something is very wrong with him. I'm going to be honest on this forum because he's also been violent but I don't want people to focus on that. I just want to say it as part of the problem and want answers to other more important questions. As I'm very well aware of the issue of safety and I'm not scared of him. Much more hurtful is the emotional pain I suffer and I'm quite sure he wouldn't do anything anyway. But I want to mention that aspect.

So, he is for a few days telling me he's honest, never lied to me since we met, loves me more then anyone, believes he's ill and can tell me why he thinks that, he doesn't get angry or misunderstands. Treats me good. (Still I got now to the point that I'm every day scared when he gets home if he's still the same guy)

So on those days he's very nice, it's all about me and pleasing me and he's almost over the top with that. (The cycles were for the first year: 4 days good and a few manic, then got to 2-3 days manic and 2 days good consistently for a few months. They are now 4-7 good and 5-8 manic)

Its about 6 days of him being very attentive and nice (he even then when his moods are stable and good has a big problem with capacity, we start to talk he can only do this for a few mins, then he needs a break, I read something and after only 8 mins he says his brain is full, break again, when we watch a movie he doesn't talk afterwards, sometimes he gets sharp pain for a few seconds). Many times my voice bothers his brain and he tells me to talk very quiet and slow. He doesn't ask me questions and says it's only because he's worried I go into it.

Then after us being very close for 6 days its always something small, sometimes he couldn't take the talking suddenly anymore and got upset and angry. Or something different. Or he misunderstands. He really most of the time hates talking, on his good days he can do it and does it for me, on the bad days or the lots of pain days he can't handle anything. Sometimes at night he says a few things. Sometimes if I only say one sentence he freaks out as his brain is not good. (Does this sound like bipolar? What could that be?)
And I'm not saying that I can ever have discussions with him, he never goes into something it's all very shallow, he never wants to know abt my past or asks me questions, but emotionally he seems to be a deep person he's very expressive and showing lots of passion and says often he loves me.

So something small happens. If a bump or misunderstanding happens on the good days I can explain and he gets it and is fine. Now all this doesn't work anymore. He gets upset and is unkind to me and might already say something bad like blaming me and saying it's all my fault. He basically suddenly starts to change first his feelings he gets angry and all his love goes away. Then he changes all his believes about what we said on every good day and thinks exactly the opposite. It's her fault, I'm ok, I'm not sick, it's her, breaking all promises, wanting out. Thinks bad about me and tells me I'm a liar or manipulator. Or on another manic time tells me I'm causing everything. thinks bad about the situation gets it wrong and I explain but it doesn't work, after a short while he asks me to leave if I don't go he says worse things, even if i do leave and go back he is stuck in this state of mind (for a few days) and tells me that all his feelings have gone or he hates me or peace of sh..., can be violent if I don't go right away. Sometimes with warning, sometimes without. But it's more a threatening violence to make me go like picking a knife or threats. And I run away. I know that sounds bad but I'm not scared of him. So I don't want to go into that.

He has no feelings, no compassion, even if I offer peace he doesn't care. And he is just super cold and only thinks of himself. What mental illness is all that???

Like right now on Monday night! A small thing happened. It turned out if he was single he would marry just to help others with papers he supports that type of thing. I was shocked and wanted to talk he didn't really. And promised we talk tomorrow, the next day he came and talked surprisingly for 20 mins (as his capacity is always very low) I just let him talk and listened.
After 20 mins he felt I still didn't accept it or didn't completely like it (which I didn't) I just have a different opinion. And he got angry. His Phone rang and he said this is more important then you, and left the room. Later he came back blaming, accusing. And saying: you know what, as you always asked if we can't make it and are divorced what I will do later, later I will f... with every woman I can find on the street.

That was the worst for me as I married him bec he had high moral values, he always said he can't separate sex from love and that meant a lot for me. I have very high values bec of my religion. He kept saying that in a very visciously way. He also said his feelings are gone (as always when in that stage) he hates me and if I don't want violence I should leave the room. I did. Later I went back bec I heard him eating dinner I was hoping his mood is better but we talked a bit and I said how much his words hurt me and he said he doesn't care. After a very short while he slapped me on my leg.

This one incidence now changed his whole thinking!!! He now believes: that I'm the one creating problems, that things he says shouldn't bother me, that he is not sick, I'm not even sure if he comes home. He went to work for one day in another city. But has to be back latest tomorrow. But he didn't write all day!!!

But it's unbelievable bec that one thing now changed his whole thinking about our situation. Each day last week we agreed that he has this illness, that we plan to go to Germany as soon as we have my papers to get him properly diagnosed and if the dr says he won't get better we would agree to separate. He also said that it's not my fault, that I don't contribute, that it's all his sickness.

And now he says that we have our problems because I don't get things, that i don't respect him and have to talk about things, that the things he says shouldn't bother me, that he's not sick, that I'm playing with his brain, that I deserve the violence (he always told me he is totally against it).

After he left yesterday, I send him a text and said that I'm heartbroken and what I need from him and I'm crying. and he said he's staying a bad man it's easier. I asked why and he said because: you don't give me peace, you give me headache. You are always trying to make my life miserable.
I said but you remember we always said you can't be with any woman because you always said you can't be in any emotionally deep relationship. His reply: don't go deep then. I said it's not a crime and his reply: if I can't handle it then it is a crime.

He blames me because I did not stop him from talking and explaining his views on marriage and politics for 20 mins on Monday. But I didn't know he wasn't ok as on his good days we can talk short talks for up to 30 mins. and he was only on his third good day. I just listened to him. He went deep and I thought he was on a good day as his mood seemed good. I written that to him.
He replied and said: it doesn't matter don't do ******** conversation with me. He is also angry because it bothers me that he said if he was single he would marry to help people for greencard and that after our marriage as he knows now he's ill he would sleep around all the time with any woman he can find. He knows my values and that it upsets me but a work colleague said to him that I'm crazy and it shouldn't bother me what he says he will do after our marriage. But his moral values are important for me.

And in the end I said: but why would that one thing change your whole attitude about me, about your morals, about your health, about us etc.
his last reply: because I don't have energy to keep up with you anymore.

Now I'm not sure if he's getting out of this episode again like he usually does (he usually gets angry, very bad, then feelings return and he apologizes and takes everything back) or if he can get fed up and just leave?
Our plan was to go to Germany and get help and then make a decision together there. But now he doesn't think he's sick anymore. I'm so scared he's leaving me!?? Last week, even on Sunday, we were so close and he said to me: it's hard for me to listen to you talking but as soon as you leave the room I'm already missing you.
His complete views and everything totally changed again. This time he even thinks he's not sick anymore. Will he come back?
What illness could this be?
Someone suggested schizophrenia? ADHD or borderline? But he has almost no depression. And no suicide tendencies at all.

Very very glad for any helpful advise. Just a bit about me: I have very high moral values, I'm just a normal woman, I never shout, never get angry or abusive, I can't do it bec of my religion, I forgiven him over and over and we have a very deep love. But he goes between 2 different mindsets. As soon as something happens he thinks it's me that I'm bad to him and changed all his feelings and ideas, promises etc.
I hope he goes back to his other thinking. I'm so scared he doesn't and sticks with this now. I don't talk too much just to say it, especially not with him as I'm walking often on egg shells, I had 5 boyfriends in my life and no one ever said I talk too much, in fact they all said I was an intellectual and interesting person. But I just can't share anything with my husband. Most of the time not.

I have no relatives or family in general!! It's already heartbreaking! My father committed suicide in 2012. I have no friends in this country. I have one thing and this is very high separation anxiety. That's the only thing I have. I am absolutely terrified that he is going to leave me!!! It's a pain I can't describe which comes from my past and I would do anything to avoid that. Plus on top if he leaves i would be utterly alone. Too much for sure !!! I lost lots of weight over the last 2 years, I couldn't work because of the mood swings he has. And have no money.
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Old Jun 11, 2014, 09:36 PM
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Hi,
We have been married since 2 years. From quite the beginning he couldn't handle conversations. Just short and sweet as he always said. They affect his brain and make it uncomfortable so I had to deal with him just getting up during conversation, leaving the room or doing other things to distract himself.
He has (at present) every day headaches, noise in the head and tightness at the back of his brain. They go up and down but are always at least at low level. Before he met me he had some scans as he thought he had a tumor but it turned out that he didn't.

After we married his head symptoms got worse or it just showed more as he was in no emotional relationship since 12 years. His wife died 2008, they were divorced 2001. Married again bec of insurance and her cancer in 2005. He never had another woman just me and her.

After a while there were strange things like anger. He could be super nice, saying I love you forever and doing lots of things for me what other man wouldn't do but then there are the days when he is different, irritable and gets upset over something small. It gets him into another stage where he looses all his feelings and emotions. He has no compassion or desire for me anymore and doesn't care what happens. In that stage he is very unreasonable, rude and doesn't love me!!!!
When we married he had tears in his eyes hugged me and said he will make me as happy as possible. 2 days later at a minor thing he wanted out and a divorce. Next day he took it back and cried. That happened often in the beginning.
After lots of bad stuff including one time him running after me and putting a pillow on my face to stop me to talk, and lots of ups and downs we went to a psychiatrist and he said its bipolar rapid cycling. He was 74. We went again 6 months later this time the guy was 78 and said I agree with my colleague but he could hardly write. I don't trust them. I had also met some girl on the internet who forwarded my mails to a mount Sinai NY hospital psychiatrist and she said I think it's schizoaffective disorder but she hasn't seen him.

I don't know what he really has but something is very wrong with him. I'm going to be honest on this forum because he's also been violent but I don't want people to focus on that. I just want to say it as part of the problem and want answers to other more important questions. As I'm very well aware of the issue of safety and I'm not scared of him. Much more hurtful is the emotional pain I suffer and I'm quite sure he wouldn't do anything anyway. But I want to mention that aspect.

So, he is for a few days telling me he's honest, never lied to me since we met, loves me more then anyone, believes he's ill and can tell me why he thinks that, he doesn't get angry or misunderstands. Treats me good. (Still I got now to the point that I'm every day scared when he gets home if he's still the same guy)

So on those days he's very nice, it's all about me and pleasing me and he's almost over the top with that. (The cycles were for the first year: 4 days good and a few manic, then got to 2-3 days manic and 2 days good consistently for a few months. They are now 4-7 good and 5-8 manic)

Its about 6 days of him being very attentive and nice (he even then when his moods are stable and good has a big problem with capacity, we start to talk he can only do this for a few mins, then he needs a break, I read something and after only 8 mins he says his brain is full, break again, when we watch a movie he doesn't talk afterwards, sometimes he gets sharp pain for a few seconds). Many times my voice bothers his brain and he tells me to talk very quiet and slow. He doesn't ask me questions and says it's only because he's worried I go into it.

Then after us being very close for 6 days its always something small, sometimes he couldn't take the talking suddenly anymore and got upset and angry. Or something different. Or he misunderstands. He really most of the time hates talking, on his good days he can do it and does it for me, on the bad days or the lots of pain days he can't handle anything. Sometimes at night he says a few things. Sometimes if I only say one sentence he freaks out as his brain is not good. (Does this sound like bipolar? What could that be?)
And I'm not saying that I can ever have discussions with him, he never goes into something it's all very shallow, he never wants to know abt my past or asks me questions, but emotionally he seems to be a deep person he's very expressive and showing lots of passion and says often he loves me.

So something small happens. If a bump or misunderstanding happens on the good days I can explain and he gets it and is fine. Now all this doesn't work anymore. He gets upset and is unkind to me and might already say something bad like blaming me and saying it's all my fault. He basically suddenly starts to change first his feelings he gets angry and all his love goes away. Then he changes all his believes about what we said on every good day and thinks exactly the opposite. It's her fault, I'm ok, I'm not sick, it's her, breaking all promises, wanting out. Thinks bad about me and tells me I'm a liar or manipulator. Or on another manic time tells me I'm causing everything. thinks bad about the situation gets it wrong and I explain but it doesn't work, after a short while he asks me to leave if I don't go he says worse things, even if i do leave and go back he is stuck in this state of mind (for a few days) and tells me that all his feelings have gone or he hates me or peace of sh..., can be violent if I don't go right away. Sometimes with warning, sometimes without. But it's more a threatening violence to make me go like picking a knife or threats. And I run away. I know that sounds bad but I'm not scared of him. So I don't want to go into that.

He has no feelings, no compassion, even if I offer peace he doesn't care. And he is just super cold and only thinks of himself. What mental illness is all that???

Like right now on Monday night! A small thing happened. It turned out if he was single he would marry just to help others with papers he supports that type of thing. I was shocked and wanted to talk he didn't really. And promised we talk tomorrow, the next day he came and talked surprisingly for 20 mins (as his capacity is always very low) I just let him talk and listened.
After 20 mins he felt I still didn't accept it or didn't completely like it (which I didn't) I just have a different opinion. And he got angry. His Phone rang and he said this is more important then you, and left the room. Later he came back blaming, accusing. And saying: you know what, as you always asked if we can't make it and are divorced what I will do later, later I will f... with every woman I can find on the street.

That was the worst for me as I married him bec he had high moral values, he always said he can't separate sex from love and that meant a lot for me. I have very high values bec of my religion. He kept saying that in a very visciously way. He also said his feelings are gone (as always when in that stage) he hates me and if I don't want violence I should leave the room. I did. Later I went back bec I heard him eating dinner I was hoping his mood is better but we talked a bit and I said how much his words hurt me and he said he doesn't care. After a very short while he slapped me on my leg.

This one incidence now changed his whole thinking!!! He now believes: that I'm the one creating problems, that things he says shouldn't bother me, that he is not sick, I'm not even sure if he comes home. He went to work for one day in another city. But has to be back latest tomorrow. But he didn't write all day!!!

But it's unbelievable bec that one thing now changed his whole thinking about our situation. Each day last week we agreed that he has this illness, that we plan to go to Germany as soon as we have my papers to get him properly diagnosed and if the dr says he won't get better we would agree to separate. He also said that it's not my fault, that I don't contribute, that it's all his sickness.

And now he says that we have our problems because I don't get things, that i don't respect him and have to talk about things, that the things he says shouldn't bother me, that he's not sick, that I'm playing with his brain, that I deserve the violence (he always told me he is totally against it).

After he left yesterday, I send him a text and said that I'm heartbroken and what I need from him and I'm crying. and he said he's staying a bad man it's easier. I asked why and he said because: you don't give me peace, you give me headache. You are always trying to make my life miserable.
I said but you remember we always said you can't be with any woman because you always said you can't be in any emotionally deep relationship. His reply: don't go deep then. I said it's not a crime and his reply: if I can't handle it then it is a crime.

He blames me because I did not stop him from talking and explaining his views on marriage and politics for 20 mins on Monday. But I didn't know he wasn't ok as on his good days we can talk short talks for up to 30 mins. and he was only on his third good day. I just listened to him. He went deep and I thought he was on a good day as his mood seemed good. I written that to him.
He replied and said: it doesn't matter don't do ******** conversation with me. He is also angry because it bothers me that he said if he was single he would marry to help people for greencard and that after our marriage as he knows now he's ill he would sleep around all the time with any woman he can find. He knows my values and that it upsets me but a work colleague said to him that I'm crazy and it shouldn't bother me what he says he will do after our marriage. But his moral values are important for me.

And in the end I said: but why would that one thing change your whole attitude about me, about your morals, about your health, about us etc.
his last reply: because I don't have energy to keep up with you anymore.

Now I'm not sure if he's getting out of this episode again like he usually does (he usually gets angry, very bad, then feelings return and he apologizes and takes everything back) or if he can get fed up and just leave?
Our plan was to go to Germany and get help and then make a decision together there. But now he doesn't think he's sick anymore. I'm so scared he's leaving me!?? Last week, even on Sunday, we were so close and he said to me: it's hard for me to listen to you talking but as soon as you leave the room I'm already missing you.
His complete views and everything totally changed again. This time he even thinks he's not sick anymore. Will he come back?
What illness could this be?
Someone suggested schizophrenia? ADHD or borderline? But he has almost no depression. And no suicide tendencies at all.

Very very glad for any helpful advise. Just a bit about me: I have very high moral values, I'm just a normal woman, I never shout, never get angry or abusive, I can't do it bec of my religion, I forgiven him over and over and we have a very deep love. But he goes between 2 different mindsets. As soon as something happens he thinks it's me that I'm bad to him and changed all his feelings and ideas, promises etc.
I hope he goes back to his other thinking. I'm so scared he doesn't and sticks with this now. I don't talk too much just to say it, especially not with him as I'm walking often on egg shells, I had 5 boyfriends in my life and no one ever said I talk too much, in fact they all said I was an intellectual and interesting person. But I just can't share anything with my husband. Most of the time not.

I have no relatives or family in general!! It's already heartbreaking! My father committed suicide in 2012. I have no friends in this country. I have one thing and this is very high separation anxiety. That's the only thing I have. I am absolutely terrified that he is going to leave me!!! It's a pain I can't describe which comes from my past and I would do anything to avoid that. Plus on top if he leaves i would be utterly alone. Too much for sure !!! I lost lots of weight over the last 2 years, I couldn't work because of the mood swings he has. And have no money.
I want to reply with something I hope is helpful....but it will be a bit before I get home and can use my computer. Just know, you're not alone. We're here for you.

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Old Jun 11, 2014, 09:51 PM
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hi waiting4, yes i cant wait to get an answer, i feel so bad Im not sure if he is coming back. I havent heard from him. Yes please write when you are home. I hope some people will reply here soon.

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Old Jun 11, 2014, 10:05 PM
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The third paragraph sounds like a mixed episode. It sounds like his good days are actually euphoria and his bad days are diaphoria but both sides are manicy sounding. I can get violent or threaten to when I'm irritable. I have learned to play fight with my dog at those times. My husband practices mixed martial arts to keep his irritability down.

his capacity is always very low this could be an anxiety or racing thoughts.

He's not taking care of himself and he's been in a long mixed or manic state. Your best bet is to look into topamax or depakote for his migraine and mood issues.

If he does serve you divorce papers go to a mediator and ask for couples therapy refuse to sign the divorce paper because you can get s judge to order a psych eval. You really need to get him to a Nero psychiatrist As this may not even be mental illness but something like micro seizers, or early onset Alzheimer's . You may have to look at the fact he may just be abusive. Both of you need therapy and marriage therapy.
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Old Jun 11, 2014, 10:18 PM
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I am not good for advice on this type of story but I do want to give you a big (((HUG))).

I am glad you found us and I am sure someone will be along soon who can give you some good advice.
But I am here to listen to you and be supportive for you as best as I can.

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Old Jun 11, 2014, 11:24 PM
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Avan............no advice or comment I could give would be as good as Miguel'smom. She nailed it, I think. You both need help, but as she said, he really really needs to go to a Nero Psychiatrist because there is something going on with him.

Please take care of yourself, Avan, and don't let him hurt you. You do need to seek therapy for yourself, and if nothing else, contact a womens shelter in your area for abused women, if it comes to that. They can help you with work training and finding somewhere to live (again, if it comes to that) and certainly you won't be alone.

I'm so sorry you are going thru this, and I know you love him...but remember, it could be a lot of co-dependency going on with you too. Please take care of yourself
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Old Jun 12, 2014, 10:05 PM
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Dear all,

He came back and he's still not really nice. He
only came bec I send a text. I went through hell yesterday bec I thought he was leaving me. He didn't write me for the first time since 2 days even though he knew I was alone and down. And he was working in the other city.
When he came he didn't really want any conversation or any listening to even my feelings and concerns, he tried slightly, he said things like he's fed up with the relationship. I talked a bit about how I felt and I knew that any other woman would show anger and say: what you did was very bad! the bruise on leg and saying you hate me. But I didn't want to provoke him. I just slowly said it effected me very bad and he was nodding and then twice crying. And I asked him if he still feels like all the bad stuff he said and he said no, saying he said it all in anger. And he took things back, but when i asked him if he still believed he's ill he said I don't want to answer this questions which shows me he still thinks he's not! (One thing on Monday can change his whole mind!)

He then said after 20 mins: here I have a headache but I have headache nowhere else! He lay down in the living room, we agreed to wake him up after 1 hr.
So I went, woke him up and he said: what! I said: you want to get up? No reply. After a while I asked again. Then touched him even though I didn't feel like it but I felt uneasy because he didn't answer anything, and I said: how's your head better darling? No reply! You want me to go? Then he got angry saying: don't ask me so many questions!!!! (But he didn't reply and I was scared and didn't know what to do)
He got up, ignored me and went to the bathroom.
he didn't communicate at all with me. Just looked in the fridge no care, no all over me like he used to be. No caring to the other extreme!!!

He Said something about food. Then i tried to say a bit to him. He listened then said his things and got a bit upset and he just left and lay down in bed in same room. Me always feeling bad like walking on land mine field. I said: you don't want to say good night and he says ok good night.
No manners.
I said give me two minutes and he said ok and turned around to me in his bed and I told him I'm going now but would like to have some help from him tomorrow and he said I will try.

Then he suddenly opened up and tells me I don't respect other people bec I don't let go of things on Monday. I tried to say things back but after one sentence he always interrupts me. He was talking but I couldn't put things right!
Then he got angry because of something I said he didn't like, but he doesn't give me enough time to explain. So he was jumping on top of me and holding down my neck with both hands and saying something. I stayed very calm, he let go, and he said a few more sentences but didn't let me speak and then said: you see I did almost try to break your neck and you are not even walking away! (He's always blaming me for not walking away)

Instead of blaming his brain and admitting again that he is mentally ill and that he can't handle any deep or emotional conversation he is telling me that I can drive anybody crazy if I would live with them.
And that I have to learn to let things go! He wants if something bothers me and I want to go Into it but if he says he doesn't want to, that I respect him and won't. But the problem is on Sunday that an issue came up which is important for me. Him saying about this couple BUT then: If I was single I would also marry to help people just for papers. I couldn't believe that and wanted to talk about that as I always thought he was not liking that practice which is a felony. But even now I couldn't properly explain this to him as he wouldn't let me and wouldn't listen!!!! On Sunday he then said ok we talk tonight. At night time he explained but it's not real good and didn't listen to me really and just few mins. He said it's not good today my brain is not good I promise you tomorrow. On Monday he came and explained 20 mins his view on that and politics and then freaked out blaming me I let him talk and not stopping him.

It's very confusing right now for me he's not the nice man I used to know at all!
And he definitely still thinks right now he's not ill and I'm the problem! (And I'm worried at some point I believe it)
Even though he said in the beginning on the couch: no I'm not blaming you anymore and he was crying when I said how I felt. STILL for some very weird reason the same man an hour later behaved as if he wants to choke me, he didn't but he in no time had me underneath him putting his hands around me. He thinks like I drive him crazy but I am very calm Christian woman and I can't see it.

My issue is abondenment and I realized now just how strong that is. It's much worse then I thought and I was relieved he's back but in another part of me I don't want him back. I just I don't want that immense terrible feeling and pain like dying, that's why I'm probably still here I know that's the reason why I'm not more outspoken and loud because I'm scared he gets then mad blames me and leaves.

But it was not always like this he was always 5-7 days nice and totally normal and calm just sometimes with head pains and then always afterwards 5- 8 days bad. He's right now always overreacting. And unusually long now, since 12 days more or less constantly manic!!! I hope the guy comes back who totally things different and isn't manic anymore!
I hope that he will start to believe soon again that he's sick. I don't know how to get out of this. I have no money for therapie. My biggest wish right now would be that I don't have any abondenment issue anymore and some relatives!!! All gone
I don't work and I'm glad I don't have to with him here. It's just too much it's always volatile you never know with him.
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That sounds like a dangerous situation. If he is unwell, and unpredictable, and trying to choke you - that's not ok. Is there somewhere safe you can go? You probably can't fix him, he will have to do that himself, but you can decide to take care of yourself. The situation you are in sounds like it could quickly escalate into violence. There are crisis homes women can stay in in most areas. Your safety is the most important thing here.

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Stop going the mental health route please or the physical health route. Go to the stand get a ct scan or a MRI. Hugs.
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Well he was diagnosed last year by 2 doctors. One 74 and another one later was 78. But I'm not sure about them. They did both take an hour but also 400 dollar. He had a very bad reaction to seroquel. And was like a zombie. The second doc gave him lithium and DepAkote. DepAkote made him very angry non stop for every day!!! Lithium didn't show any effect and I had to go Europe and he said he's fine since I'm gone and only finished it and refused to go back. I ended up staying there 5 months and only came bec he promised he will get help. But his insurance had so many problems and I realized that all doctors on that list are having very bad reviews so I suggested to him abt 3 months ago to wait until I can go to Germany and he will follow me to get diagnosed there and he agreed!
Now for the first time again since a very long time he doesn't even think anymore he's ill which now I'm very worried he won't go with me there anymore! That was always our last hope!! Free care there and deep check ups!

We tried herbs and all types of vitamins. The only thing which ever worked and he's taking that now again as off today is high dosage of niacin and vitamin c. It takes the edge out of him. He is more psychotic more let's say extreme if he doesn't take that 3 times a day. And starts to use knifes and stuff.
He had stopped it but took it tonight again unfortunately it will take time again to build up. Nothing else ever worked I tried everything on him he used to say last year in his good days ok no prob I take it. In his angry days he said I'm not a guinepig your this and that...

He had an MRI done 6 months ago with contrast and they couldn't find anything.
He also had a scan done 4 years ago when I didn't know him bec of his dizziness and head problems. But they said hes just working too much. He told me he was diagnosed with depression during when his ex wife died between 2003 and 2008. Before he met me he had his head symptoms once a year for one months cloud dizziness headache tightness etc but the cloud thing seems gone
Now it's only noise headache and tightness. It's fluctuating. I cannot believe how he can think it's me and not him being ill. He seems to go now more and more into this thing that he believes I drive him crazy and I make him like that! This is heartbreaking for me bec if he doesn't get back to his old self: feeling and thinking that he's sick and that it's not me making him overreact and violent, then I can never really be close to him again and our plan for Germany is gone so is our last chance!
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Hi curiosity77, he's not a dangerous man, he's not battering me or anything it's just those overreactions or mania. All about talking which effects his brain. I never forget what that psychiatrist on the internet written that they want peace in their head as they can't get any and if something disturbs that they can see that person as the enemy! Constantly going between thinking: he's an abuser and then it's quite clear he's only ill and like a complete different person. Last month he was sleeping 4 nights in the car for me so I have peace as I had big problems like dropping things when he came (anxiety) and a visitor was coming and he helped over the top, gave us money and slept in the car so I'm calm. Last month I felt so bad I couldn't sleep next to him. I don't know if he will be like this again but in the last 2 years he constantly went between super giving over the top and feeling nothing and having no compassion but lots of blame and the opposite views.
Now I'm scared he has now made up his mind that he's not sick and think it's me. I hope not!
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I'm glad to hear you are safe. I hope he gets some more insight and accepts help. Thinking of you

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I hope that he will change back as so many times before. I wish I wouldn't have this huge separation anxiety problem. Everything would he different! I would be in control not him! but I have no money to see a therapist.
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The reason I say go the headache route is that he's more likely to stay on the medication if he thinks its solely for migraine. So try the topamax. Don't mention that he's sick. That's unfair and he's not going to believe it.

Don't go on reviews of psychiatrist my faviorete doctor gets the worst reviews. He's always late and behind ( because he takes any walk ins as fast as possible so they won't run away.) Doesn't prescribe a lot of meds ( because he feels meds should just take the edge off and therapy is nessicary), and strongly encourages a person in the house hold to tag along at least every other session ( because they have more insight to how I'm responding to meds). So he's the most transfered out Dr. In my clinic he and gets horrible reviews but gives you choices on which meds he wants to proscribe and teaches you how they are suppose to work, little hints on taking them for the most effectiveness and even answers what he would choose if he had to.

Your best bet is to have him take his vacation and sick time to go into partial hospitalization , its usually a four hour program with therapy and medicine review daily. He would be there for about 3 months. They'll be able to hospitalize him if need be he won't graduate until he's stable and taking his meds as properly. Then he'll either go to intensive out patent (which is usually group 3-5x a week, therapy 1x a week and med check 1-2x a month) or regular out patient (which usually 4-12x med check a year, therapy 1.5-4 x a month)

Noise in the tighting head is racing thoughts.
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I've never said this to anyone before, but you need to take care of yourself, and get yourself to safety! You're clearly in danger. You can't fix him and if you continue to try, you either be destroyed or dead. Sorry I couldn't be more tactfully gentle.
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I know this is not a focal point of your issue but it stood out and stuck with me.

Maybe he gets upset with you for not walking away when he threatens you with violence because its a sign that you don't value or respect yourself enough to get to safety.

Maybe your inaction spurs him even further (as if he's repulsed) because of your own loss of self-respect ...

I'm not excusing his behaviour, I've been in an abusive relationship, I know what its like to be disrespected and devalued.

But for some reason that just stood out for me.

I'm all for supporting your partner blah blah blah, but I draw the line where personal safety is at risk.

You're convinced he'd never actually hurt you, but if you think about it, all of us, every single one of us were convinced he'd never hit us. Why else would we have stayed? Its not like we saw it coming either...

Another thing, if he's this unpredictable and unstable emotionally, who's to say that won't escalate into fullblown physical violence. Don't down play the abuse, you're not doing either of you any favours by pretending its ok, because illness or no, its just never ok.

Ok, so you asked us not to focus on that and I kinda did, but its a subject very close to me and its super hard not to speak out against it. So I apologize.

You may want to get a second medical opinion, his scans can show something it didn't show a few years ago and if you weren't in his life then or present at the appointment, how do you even know he had any scans?

Really sounds like he needs expert medical attention.
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I think you need together to safety. You are in danger. I know he needs help, but you have to protect yourself.
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The reason I say go the headache route is that he's more likely to stay on the medication if he thinks its solely for migraine. So try the topamax. Don't mention that he's sick. That's unfair and he's not going to believe it.

Don't go on reviews of psychiatrist my faviorete doctor gets the worst reviews. He's always late and behind ( because he takes any walk ins as fast as possible so they won't run away.) Doesn't prescribe a lot of meds ( because he feels meds should just take the edge off and therapy is nessicary), and strongly encourages a person in the house hold to tag along at least every other session ( because they have more insight to how I'm responding to meds). So he's the most transfered out Dr. In my clinic he and gets horrible reviews but gives you choices on which meds he wants to proscribe and teaches you how they are suppose to work, little hints on taking them for the most effectiveness and even answers what he would choose if he had to.

Your best bet is to have him take his vacation and sick time to go into partial hospitalization , its usually a four hour program with therapy and medicine review daily. He would be there for about 3 months. They'll be able to hospitalize him if need be he won't graduate until he's stable and taking his meds as properly. Then he'll either go to intensive out patent (which is usually group 3-5x a week, therapy 1x a week and med check 1-2x a month) or regular out patient (which usually 4-12x med check a year, therapy 1.5-4 x a month)

Noise in the tighting head is racing thoughts.
Hi miguels mom,
I don't know how this system here in the US works I thought many times of having him baker acted. Calling the police and then I heard they would take him for 48 hrs (up to) into a hospital. But how can 48 hrs help? In Germany they would put him free for months into a clinic and I thought here nobody could afford it???? His insurance is avmed.
I don't think he would go anyway as he's working a lot. That's why I'm waiting for my papers and then want to get him to europe. But it can take another 6 months of waiting hell ;(
Topamax? DepAkote made him a constant angry person. I think I can make him get a prescription from his dentist friend but it must be working! If not or he gets worse I will have hell! Can it make him more manic???
I need something which takes the manic away and the rapid cycling and anger and rage. Can this backfire? I don't even know if it is called manic: it's days when he's inside already irritable, blows things out of proportion, anger, looses all his feelings, sees me as his enemy etc
but he never has sleep problems, never spending problems at all, never stays up always the same sleep, never money problems, can hold down a job for 15 years... that's why I sometimes I think those 2 old doctors where wrong with their rapid cycling bp diagnosis ???
Maybe it's schizophrenia or borderline, ADHD or... (no long concentration, head full, headache, noise, tight)
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So your in fl, psychcare manages avmed psychiatric services. Baker act can hold people for 72 hrs. To stabilize him, then they can get a two week extension if need be. Our inpatient is solely to get peoples medication levels straight to start intense therapy. U.S. no longer believe long term hospitalization provide more benefits then aftercare.

Once he's no longer a threat to himself or others and medicated( this is all our hospitalizations do all other things can be done on an out patient basis.) He can be ordered to do involuntary out patent. All the info you need for the baker act is here . to find help in your county Get Help | Florida Department of Children and Familieshere. They have intensive out patient programs for after work.U.S. usually says its a three day stay but I've known people to do 6 wks stays.

If he is bipolar then a mood stabilizer should help. Most of us have cocktails of 3+ different types of drugs to stabilize us. Both my husband and I take a mood stablizer, anti depressant and antipsychotic. My son takes a mood stabilizer, anti psychotic, and an ADHD pill. Any medication can backfire so its best to go to a psychiatrist even if it is the county mental health. If you need help finding services in fl you can call 211 and they can help.

As of right now think of it as BP rapid cycling because that's his DX. Because things are so bad he should start with an antipsychotic but he needs to see a psychiatrist that you both trust because both of your life and freedom are on the line not getting help.
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Why do so many responders here seem to be so hell-bent on fixing things that can't be repaired. I'm sorry if I offend the sensitivities of others, but this situation may turn lethal. No bloody book will help Avan if he turns on her. I for one do not want to look back on any recommendation I've made that contributed to a tragedy. Some things just can't be fixed and this situation appears to be just such a case!

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Sammy I've been in her shoes and I've been in his shoes. With enough help it can work and it always can change. Honestly I don't believe in divorce until there's actually violence, plus I suspected this is more complicated than just cut your loses and run. You've never had a bad mixed episode?
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