[venusss]

I seem to be clashing with some folks here lately.

I just want to say I never wanted to offend anybody. I am sure you all are good people inside, and by criticizing SOME or ONE of your choices on global level, I don't mean it as attack on your character.

To be honest, I am lately annoyed by about 90% of the world population and I have really a lot of things on my plate. I am managing suprisingly well, but I just lack patience with people lately.

At the same time I cannot watch every word that comes out of my mouth/that I type. Maybe I need a break. Or even move on. I can hardly relate to struggles for the mind lately anyways. I mostly visit this place because of old sentiments and because I was hoping I am helpful to some, giving some hope that recovery and well being exists outside the mainstream system.

Anyways, sorry, if I caused any harm.

[Icare dixit]

Venusss, you are very helpful. You put things in perspective and in a very insightful and non-too-assertive way, I'd say. Maybe not with the softest gloves, but not offensive or ad hominem as far as I can tell (must admit I haven't really followed your latest discussion/debate (or fight?: wouldn't know but looked maybe just a bit like it)).

[raspberrytorte]

Don't worry, venusss.

The comments you've made on my threads have always been helpful and right on the mark

We all have those days.

[Trippin2.0]

I don't see anything you have to apologize for either.


In a way I can relate, idk when last I posted a thread, reply very rarely, yet I login daily, instead of just moving on.... Probably for sentimental reasons and a desire to support at least one other individual on the planet.


No our direct, blunt and often abrasive ways of communicating is not always welcomed. Many people get offended by the mere thought of someone who dares disagreeing with them, many are not very open minded, etc etc..


But, I figure, if at least one person hears me, really hears me, and untangles their personal baggage from the message I am giving, then that's enough for me. Because that means I possibly helped someone.


And I don't just mean here on PC, I mean people in general... Family, friends, colleagues, group T members etc...


Guess that's what keeps me trying to contribute with my experiences and perceptions. Even when they're not always welcomed.


The world needs more people like you V, don't disappear into the shadows.

[Takeshi]

Well, Trippin's here, what more can I add to that?

You are one heck of a beautiful person here, so I hope you stay and keep posting whatever you like. They are valuable I tell you that.

And I'm not aware of all the clash you speak of, but if anyone thinks that the mainstream anything is the only way to go, and if that's all I can read about on this site, I might haul my *** outta here too.

Patience, brings what? This is an online forum, you've expressed your views on this in the past. If anything, the harm you think you've caused on others were brought on by themselves (most likely). Please don't hurt yourself thinking otherwise.

well-being exists outside the mainstream system

I don't have THE mainstream system over here, so your input is greatly appreciated and is hopeful to me. I also wanna say that the mainstream (mental health care) system gives me some hope too because they are interested in the subject, lots of good can come out of this with the research and what not.

Our mind can be our predicament sometimes, your state of being, being/showing what you are is just fine, as beautiful as ever.

And what's with people talking about sentimental values for this place? I envy that feelings to be honest, dear doc john, please keep paying the bills so I can search and read those good times of the past decades. I'm not saying now's bad, he talks about 'active participation' somewhere on this site, and you V, I think you're doing it just fine within the guideline, just keep your butt here on PC, please.

(Yes, we each have feelings, and we also have moderators on this site. She had to sorta say sorry, what the hell happened? )

Venusss, you are not a nuisance or a bother at all. You are wonderful to chat and be with. Pay no attention to others, and i do not find you offensive at all. Lighten up, and just be yourself. Last i knew no one here was perfect! LOL... Blessings (((hugs)))

[pirilin]

You're one of the pillars that hold this comunity together.
I'm sure at this point we need you way more than you need us.
You give more than you recieve here. Thank you for being with us.

[wiretwister]

no problems here ... glad your part of our big family ...

[Nammu]

I like your honest approach...you say what you mean

[Icare dixit]

Originally Posted by omegalamed

Venusss, you are not a nuisance or a bother at all. You are wonderful to chat and be with. Pay no attention to others, and i do not find you offensive at all. Lighten up, and just be yourself. Last i knew no one here was perfect! LOL... Blessings (((hugs)))

The chance that a few at any one time think they are perfect, is however considerable.

Everyone knows only I am really perfect!

[venusss]

Thank you all.

Your messages made me smile.

[venusss]

Venusss, you are very helpful. You put things in perspective and in a very insightful and non-too-assertive way, I'd say. Maybe not with the softest gloves, but not offensive or ad hominem as far as I can tell (must admit I haven't really followed your latest discussion/debate (or fight?: wouldn't know but looked maybe just a bit like it)).

Yeah, I try not to attack people. I cannot pretend I approve of all the **** people do though, especially if it's not even somebody I know, but some random person on the Internet lol. And some seem to be offended by me saying stuff about somebody else.

I don't know. I sometimes even say some things, even in real life, and I don't view it as judgement, but simply as stating a fact. And then half of people laughs and other half tries to tell me why I should say that, because that person I commented on is a human. Yeah, I know they are human. But at the same time, their hair cut is funny and their dress is two sizes too small and unflattering. (Yes, I know people judge me too. I gotten so much hate mail on facebook and social media.)

Don't worry, venusss.

The comments you've made on my threads have always been helpful and right on the mark

Thanks, I am trying.

My comments on Pharma and meds are mostly about how pharma and effects of the meds. Not about the consumers.

But, I figure, if at least one person hears me, really hears me, and untangles their personal baggage from the message I am giving, then that's enough for me. Because that means I possibly helped someone.

Yeah, that's what I am hoping for. I know I am *****, but I am ***** with heart of gold. And I do like people in general, in the abstract sense. (yeah, up close, they are harder to love).

I don't have THE mainstream system over here, so your input is greatly appreciated and is hopeful to me. I also wanna say that the mainstream (mental health care) system gives me some hope too because they are interested in the subject, lots of good can come out of this with the research and what not.

In the end, everybody has to find their own way, build their own system. For me Project Icarus was very helpful, even if I don't subscribe to all their thoughts.

[jacky8807]

Your a free soul and talk straight
Nothing wrong with that! And you are interesting to boot!

[Wanderlust90]

Your perspective is respected here venusss!

You seem fine to me. I will just disagree with you when I disagree.

[KarenSue]

Venuss, I don't know much about the specifics you refer to. But I always prefer the truth, whether I like it or not. Lies are what hurt most. Telling the truth is an honorable characteristic that I admire, and apparently a characteristic you possess. Thanks for that.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by ValentinaVVV

You seem fine to me. I will just disagree with you when I disagree.

I don't mind disagreements. Discussions are stimulating.

[Ripose]

Does some of your reactions come from your concern about the Ukraine, or just people in general?

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Ripose

Does some of your reactions come from your concern about the Ukraine, or just people in general?

Interesting question.

Could be. Lately there has been lot of emotional meetings with great people.... and lots of them went through things I cannot ever imagine going through. Something that is on my mind a lot.

And "we are told we are saving the western civilization here... but sometimes I ask myself "but WHAT FOR?" is a thought many around me expressed.

So it's interconnected. (but it's completely another topic. And if I said what I truly think at times, many would be offended again. Even I myself realize I do have some *****y thoughts and it's more of trauma reaction than anything... what I express here is what I actually find valid and reasonable).

[Nammu]

Originally Posted by venusss

I don't mind disagreements. Discussions are stimulating.

Disagreement can also be more enlightening. I think some people mistake agreement and enablement as support.

[Icare dixit]

Originally Posted by Nammu

Disagreement can also be more enlightening. I think some people mistake agreement and enablement as support.

Very good point! Delicate balance. Is difficult to tell whether you're enabling many times (on here, not knowing people through and through). It is something of a gradual thing as well: what people find a normal reaction given mental suffering.

[emgreen]

You add spice & a distinct European perspective to the boards. I know when I was living in Dresden the pdoc I had was amazed at the dosages of meds my American pdoc had me on...it's a different perspective in Germany & in Europe in general, I'm guessing.

I take meds (what can I say), but I agree with your critiques of big pharma: it's a real racket.

I also like your sense of the significance of current events. Months back we briefly discussed Pegida, & now Trump has become an international embarrassment. It's like the clock has been set back to the early-1930s.

Oh...& one more thing; I'm insanely jealous that you live in Praha, the most beautiful city in Europe.

Anyways, we "tolerate you" because you add wonderful fodder to our discussions.