Philosophy, spirituality or religion

Haha. This is adorable

No you didn't. That would be impossible if "that" refers to "what". But that doesn't matter.

What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

That you confuse moral relativism with Buddhism? Do you? I'm really not sure. Maybe what you're saying would be very enlightening if I understood the reasons behind it better. Maybe not. I'll assume not for what I'm gonna say next.

I mean you no harm. If opinions make you question your assumptions, your anxiety is caused by change, not me. If you believe everything always changes, you still may want to find ways to have your assumptions change less by changing them and reducing them.

Believing that opinions have no use for others to protect yourself from new ideas won't help you.

Or why this idea I am somehow always against you (singular or plural)?

Or is it just that you don't like people that are and think very differently from you (that's what I assume, maybe underlying the idea I am against you).

No, it's not.

I only go along because truly hope there is point to this. Proven or otherwise.

Not just being intolerant.

Yea it is.

I'm sorry ICARE. It's getting a little "whose on first". I don't mean to make light of what you said. I can tell this is serious for you. I hope you find what you are looking for. Do you have a church where you can discuss with like minded individuals or do you prefer discussing with the opposing side to get more info into why they think like they do?

I don't see opposing sides when discussing our points of view. I just see someone seemingly opposing me and I don't know why. I am truly very much interested to know why.

What's more interesting still is why someone things opinions (maybe can't or) shouldn't be discussed.

I assume there is some anxiety behind it. I might also laugh or treat things as adorable (though I don't really), not to be taken seriously, but it's still disrespectful.

I might get disrespectful when feeling uncomfortable, but best is to know why things make me uncomfortable, I'd say.

I am very much interested in the point that is supposedly proven. It's not too much to ask. Not to oppose, but to learn.

Like I had said earlier, religion is one of those topics that are not easy to discuss because of strong opinions (yes opinions and/or beliefs). Everyone tries to convince or convert the other to their views. Let people think what they think.
This forum is here to support people with their bipolar issues and not debate such hot button topics.

Most people think it's impolite to discuss. I don't think so, but popular opinion typically wins on these types of issues. (((Hugs)))

I think discussing religion (or philosophy or spiritualism) can support us struggling with BP. More so than for others, maybe, because the self-transcendence experienced during mania would be described by many as spiritual. Some believe they are prophets or at least their ideas are prophetic or visionary.

Religion might help us to use or manage that spirituality, because it can feel good but somehow be wrong. Philosophy and religion can teach us why that might be.

Many psychotherapies (or quite some) are based on religious beliefs and I believe psychotherapy can help us and knowing the reasons behind the things done in psychotherapy can help us more still.

I think psychiatry has as much a gospel as any religion. It's just that religions have developed ideas which might be more helpful than those put forward by psychiatry because many religions are much older and/or develop much older ideas further.

I think it's very, deeply relevant and can be very helpful to us all.

I don't think people should be converted. Cherry-pick all you want or ignore it, if you can. If you can't there might be a reason to it: you might learn from it.

In my experience, but I might be wrong in general, those that are not religious feel it's somehow damaging, more so than religious people. They may think all these dogmas must be very fragile, houses of cards. I don't think they are, generally, at least if you've taken the time to really study religion.

Of course, those who haven't might be threatened.

I hope this discussion will help people think and read more about religion (and philosophy) so that they better deal with conflicting ideas, such as delusions, so that the house of cards doesn't come down completely and depression gets very severe, needing more time to rebuild.

I just dance ....

If I had to choose, I might choose to be a Jainist. But luckily I don't (and none of us really) have to.

I am very much inspired by many philosophers/philosophies, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and Hermeticism.

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But it might be good to choose. It's essentially very much the same, but different. That's nice: thought-provoking.

Honestly?

I don't know how can one exist without at least one of these three? I believe it is important to believe in something greater than you. Other wise you gonna end up popping handful of sciency pills and buying all the gimmicky things somebody told you that you absotely need and trying this and that.... and still be unhappy.

We did not get happier for ditching deities.... and philosophy. On contrary.

The Romantics also had an inspiring conception of religion. Mostly pantheist.

Of course, this conception of God is a lot, lot older.

What's most inspiring is that they basically saw creativity and joy as Godly inspiration, they accepted the suffering and used it.

Mania may be celebrated (more) and used. Depression may be used more wisely. I think we owe it to other people. No use being like everyone else: they are better at it anyway.

Just to "conclude" the description of my view of things, as it may help to inspire someone and keep them fastened or connected to their destiny or future and give one hope, I want to add something about the mind, self-transcended, open or closed/sealed/dissociated.

I believe, and this is much (or somewhat, depending on interpretation) in line with some Hermetic teachings, Jewish Kabbalah, derived and predating it, that our minds are part of one Mind (much like, a part of, God, or Nature or Substance, cf. Spirit or Essence), much like DID, where all minds are dissociated but can be transcended.

As I see it, there is (even) no way of knowing whether we all live in the same time, to develop/take the comparison with DID further, though it's not perfect: we might be living "with" expressions/representations of others who lived before or after the time oneself lives.

Basically, about the last part, time is an illusion insofar it's considered different from any other (more essential) dimension.

Everything represented (everything except for the intensional part of God; including all of reality, all, current, not possible, realities) is included in the Mind.

This might explain (better than more common sense permits) how the self, but also everything in reality, and concepts, can be transcended or made to transcend, things associated, dissociated, abstracted, represented, integrated and reduced.

What gives hope (or can give hope), is that nothing is lost: every (creative) thought and solution is reintegrated in the whole, without the need to influence people by gaining power or status (though these do help), to "succeed". That can comforting and give hope and prospect.