What are the odds that when I was in group dbt, several of the others were actually branch of law enforcement posing as clients in order to spy on me?

I want closure for my mind concerning this. Once I get closure, I can put it to rest, reopen my dbt skills book, and refreshen myself with some of the already forgotten skills.

[Crazy Hitch]

150% zero chance.

That'd be the last place law enforcement would want to go plus they wouldn't be allowed to join dbt groups for that reason.

[BastetsMuse]

Originally Posted by Lsswwdictb

What are the odds that when I was in group dbt, several of the others were actually branch of law enforcement posing as clients in order to spy on me?.

Zero chance of it. Less than zero, actually. Law enforcement simply wouldn't send several people into a group for any reason at all, unless you're a terrorist and a danger to the country -- and then they'd just arrest you under the Patriot Act.

[raspberrytorte]

Zero chance.

They're not interested in us.

[seoultous]

Zero. You can put your mind to rest.

[Icare dixit]

Why would they spy on you? Does it matter if they spy on you?

I (not just me) have been really spied on by probably, police informers and plain-clothes police, maybe some other government agency, my fingerprints and DNA most probably put in some database by a forensics team (there was a van of a forensics team).

But it doesn't really matter. I discovered only when it actually happened, it was rather obvious, there was proof of it (real proof, not based on delusions), that it really doesn't matter. It was a liberating experience.

Spying is mostly just because they can. Like a stamp collector collecting stamps they like to collect data. But they collect data (mostly) on groups of people with some radical ideas or something, just to make sure it's not extreme radicalism, not a DBT group! And if they'd send someone, it would really just be one person for a small group. And the police wouldn't do it because it's illegal.

It's really very unlikely and if it were true it really doesn't matter. It's of course far more likely you've creatively come up with a story you might laugh about because of its implausibility in say, a year. If it's a good story, though, write it down. You may want to analyse it so that you learn to dispel delusions or maybe it's the basis of a novel or something.

Another interesting thing: people like us with BP may be rather good spies. Generally good actors and always alert to danger, as well as fond of risks. It makes me wonder whether the Israeli series where Homeland is based on (I forgot the name) has any footing in reality. Maybe not at all. I don't know.

[raspberrytorte]

Originally Posted by Icare dixit

Why would they spy on you? Does it matter if they spy on you?

I (not just me) have been really spied on by probably, police informers and plain-clothes police, maybe some other government agency, my fingerprints and DNA most probably put in some database by a forensics team (there was a van of a forensics team).

But it doesn't really matter. I discovered only when it actually happened, it was rather obvious, there was proof of it (real proof, not based on delusions), that it really doesn't matter. It was a liberating experience.

Spying is mostly just because they can. Like a stamp collector collecting stamps they like to collect data. But they collect data (mostly) on groups of people with some radical ideas or something, just to make sure it's not extreme radicalism, not a DBT group! And if they'd send someone, it would really just be one person for a small group. And the police wouldn't do it because it's illegal.

It's really very unlikely and if it were true it really doesn't matter. It's of course far more likely you've creatively come up with a story you might laugh about because of its implausibility in say, a year. If it's a good story, though, write it down. You may want to analyse it so that you learn to dispel delusions or maybe it's the basis of a novel or something.

Another interesting thing: people like us with BP may be rather good spies. Generally good actors and always alert to danger, as well as fond of risks. It makes me wonder whether the Israeli series where Homeland is based on (I forgot the name) has any footing in reality. Maybe not at all. I don't know.

You can really randomly be spied on by police? Why would they want to do that?

I mean, I don't care if I'm randomly spied on. They'd get bored really fast. Lol.

[Icare dixit]

Originally Posted by raspberrytorte

You can really randomly be spied on by police? Why would they want to do that?

I mean, I don't care if I'm randomly spied on. They'd get bored really fast. Lol.

It wasn't random. It was political and radical (strictly speaking). And we were persuasive. So they just made sure we didn't try to start a revolution (edit: or something like that, probably).

It wasn't a DBT group.

I'm sure it's mostly just very boring yes, that kind of work.

Edit:
I'd imagine infiltration (which can be just attending a meeting or something) is far less common now than it used to be, with mobile phones, the Internet and surveillance technology.

You know, I was actually used as an example during the group while going over the "does the facts fit". I was asked questions such as if I had any warrants. No, I had no facts to fit. However, I think it stems from my past. I have said some nasty things and said them in public. It's crazy, I'm crazy, or both. I mean really, I've done some things in the past that I'm not proud of, but for the most part I'm able to let them go. But, I have the hardest time letting things that I have said go. I think that's why I feel like "they" need to spy on me. They won't to make sure that I don't act on anything said. Also, suppose I stepped on someone's toes and they still desire revenge?

I'm definitely going to take these answers to heart and try to let it all rest. I just love people here. Maybe I know some things in some areas that people here do not, but I feel so much like an infant when it pertains to this bp topic. Most of you seem like rocket scientists compared to me on this subject.

[Icare dixit]

Yeah, making rockets that explode every time. Lots of debris. All that effort to rebuild them and they keep exploding before reaching a destination!

So we all have lots to learn, it seems.

[Victoria'smom]

Even with your past they wouldn't be in the dbt group.

[st0psign]

zero chance, law enforcement would never want to educate themselves on such things like mental illness. they wouldn't be caught dead there.