BP(D) politicians

Boris [Johnson], I don't know whether people outside the country that is great again know him, reminds me very much of Winston Churchill.

Donald Trump has a campaign slogan which is obviously based on a phrase often half-jokingly, self-deprecatingly used in Britain to describe [Great] Britain always trying to become great again.

Trump seems to me at least a bit borderline crazy, probably genuinely having borderline traits. But I'm no expert on Trump or the US psyche.

Churchill had BP.

Boris (just) "Boris" Johnson, also a Conservative politician, who will be the new UK prime minister, is a more considerate and probably more intelligent version of Trump, in many ways. They are both bold and charismatic (okay, Boris arguably an awful lot more) and they know the importance of emotion.

I'm not saying I agree with many of the ideas of Boris or Trump (less so Trump), but it's almost preferable (and in the case of Boris I truly believe it is, very, very much so) to the naive, calculating, cold, emotionless, easily corrupted and swayed, bean-counting "liberals", who really are far too naive to do much of anything.

ISIS/ISIL has been allowed to grow after power vacuums created and maintained primarily by the US. Liberalism can be extremely dangerous.

Without Churchill, it's not unlikely we'd still have an iron curtain (which is being re-erected in a way by the EU) and we would have supported Hitler for much longer because he was good for the economy.

Clinton and Obama are spineless. It's fine that they don't do anything wrong, but they do allow for wrongdoing.

Would you (dare to) vote (if you still have a democracy) for a politician with BP or BPD?

The thing is Clinton and Obama know they are not dictators and cannot force their wills apon an entire country.

But they are creating a constant power vacuum, effectively. Via deregulation, TTIP, NAFTA and the EU. Markets are too unpredictable to determine our fate. Ironically, the weakness of Clinton and Obama (and Merkel), moderation, causes more irrational, cruel and unstable leadership than many with BP would provide.

Trade might be free, but freedom shouldn't be up for sale. They are responsible for the consequences of economic and (lack of) military policy.

Power vacuums can be more dangerous than actual dictatorships. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Russia.

I'm not saying that dictators are preferable in our countries (at least), but just that liberals aren't necessarily much better.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Just so you know: I wouldn't vote for Trump.

I would definately vote for someone with either BPD or BP. As long as their record shows they manage their illness well, it wouldn't matter.

I'm not a trump fan and have little feelings towards Churchill either. So I guess I cannot comment on the rest.

This is true!

I've also read that Theadore Roosevelt may have BP.

Hell, if you want to go back that far, Abe Lincoln had bipolar too.

My question is: do the people of England know what they voted for?.
I'm afraid that will happen here too. If we make the grave mistake of electing ................. as President of the United States.

Yes, it's quite obvious what the effects have been for many in all European countries of the EU. England (not Schotland, Northern Island or Wales) have in quite a large majority voted for leaving the EU.

It's quite obvious there's pressure on all public services and that (even just) the fear of pressure on wages and that companies may move to another country without much problems is enough to be able to lower wages.

More spending on public services would increase pressure.

It's clear that many that actually experience the problems understand that part and it's not some xenophobia.

Much is blamed on the EU, but that's justified.

As Bill Clinton said: "It's the economy, stupid!"

But sovereignty, democracy, has been very important for many. Especially older voters. Probably most voted to leave for that reason.

It's much a matter of pride. The oldest democracy which has ruled much of the world for centuries wants to remain sovereign. Germany decides things for the EU effectively, and many, in all European countries, don't trust Germany. I don't trust Germany (the government and banks).

But the campaign of the Leave side, the official campaign, was very good and fair. Good arguments. Little fear-mongering. That has everything to do with Nigel Farage, a very charismatic right-wing party leader, who did/does try to win by inducing fear.

Farage made it difficult for many to campaign for Leave without looking xenophobic or racist. Many more voted Remain because they thought it was all about xenophobia.

The government was divided. The prime minister really tried to fear people into staying. It was all about the bad that would happen and not about the good that is happening.

That made it more obvious that it wasn't really in the interest of people to stay in the EU. It was all about the economy, but not about the situation people are in, because of or despite of the economy.

One day before the referendum, just to give an example of how little idea the Remain camp had about what many people find important, these issues, Sir John Major, Conservative prime minister after Maggie Thatcher, said in a speech that he didn't think that (more) people would migrate to the UK because the minimum wage is so low. The government of the current prime minister, standing next to him and staring in admiration of this Statesman, had decided on the low minimum wage.

Fear is enough. But not always.

It was quite obvious that he had to go.

Boris Johnson would have been the new PM anyway, most probably. He is far more charismatic than say, Obama (was).

Labour decided to back the Remain side, while it's leader, very left-wing, was elected as leader by those that voted Leave, and he wanted to leave as well. It's just the rest of the parliamentary party members that wanted to remain. They knew better than their constituents, I guess.

If he had acted on principle, Leave would probably have defeated Remain by many more votes. Glasgow was a good indicator of the disillusioned and confused or conflicted Labout vote, probably. Fewer actually voted than expected. Remain won in Glasgow, like in all/most of Schotland.

There was/is really lots of debate. So yes, people knew.

The current negative effects on the equity markets and GBP were expected. People were reminded every day that would happen and it's obvious.

But nobody really expected that it would succeed when they went to bed on the 23rd.

I didn't sleep and it was spectacular. I just wish I had bet money on Leave.

But of course the vote has helped Trump. The same problems he uses/addresses have been overlooked and ignored by the likes of Clinton. Is there really a chance that Trump wins?

I wouldn't vote for Clinton either.

I would vote for devolution: more power to the states.

Washington is like Brussels. It can't work (as a democracy).

Yeah, that's how I feel. It depends on how well they manage their illness. Though, there *is* a lot of stress involved in politics, and hypo/mania and depression can be easily triggered, so it also depends on how sensitive you are. You can have well-managed BP, but still be sensitive to triggers.

I do agree it's a real risk.

But politics can always distort the view of people. It does. Those with BP might just be more aware of that risk. It's always emotional.

BP can be a huge asset in politics. But of course it's a liability.

I know one politician with BP which sometimes is too driven and doesn't listen well enough to really function. But the party can decide whether they should give him a podium or not, when to do it and when not to do it.

Of course, if you have presidential elections, that's different.

A political campaign is (always) like mania. Lack of sleep included.

It's a clash of realities. Always.

No trumpet will never win. We have been voting for the lesser evil for many a year now. We will again.
No socialism for the US either. Bernie was the last hope. Althought the man has so many followers that will make a great Vice prez for Hillary. Then there will be a balance. But what do I know.
Even if I'll die a Democrat, the man willing and able to solve the most pressing issues in the US is called John Kasick. He would have gotten my vote.

The market drop is a lot of hype. I checked our acc and is less than 5%.
They didn't even stop running.

Politics and religion are always controversial. I'm too stupid for either.

This is not true at all and where you got this idea from I don't know.

In Iraq there was no plan for the country other than to allow for foreign companies to invest "in the country". It created chaos. There had to be a liberal government. Problems created weren't solved but actively ignored.

In Syria, fighting both Syrian and ISIL forces isn't very useful. You either do everything to bring down the government and take responsibility for the consequences, supporting a strong, independent, viable government while giving financial support, or you fight ISIL (first). Technically, the US involvement is illegal now, but that's not a very good argument in itself. It does make it difficult for other countries to join the strikes.

Churchill and F D Roosevelt needed Stalin. Or we'd all speak Germanic (wait... we do speak Germanic. ).

It's never black or white. It's a nice, comforting illusion that there is white, but there isn't.

The country is too big for a third party, I guess. But you'd know better than I. I am stupefied by US politics. The lack of democracy. It's not perfect in the UK, but if you compare the two...

Of course the EU is worse, though the parliament is actually more diverse. If only it had any power.

Yes, the market drop was very short (10%, part of the day, a bit slower with the FTSE) and now it's like 5%, yes. But still a hit.

Just everyone knew it would happen. But the government's Project Fear made it their core message.

I'd like to table a motion to make pirilin President and High Priest of His Madness' Government and to rule PC forever and ever, hallelujah. God save the man! Hallelujah. Amen (cue Handel's ).

He reminds me of two politicians with funny haircuts that'll rule the free world together with him.

Funny, no substance. That's what we need!

Maybe he should change his hairstyle a bit to look more presidential.

Oh no. Sorry, I can't accept. Thank you for the deference. But decided to follow my calling. I'm gonna be a priest.
My church building is almost finish. An inverted piramid. A masterpiece of arquitectural design. By LePiri.
All I need is funding. It will be transferred from quadricule to formal blueprints
as soon as I can get the first million.
Meantime, I'm writing the new code that we will live by. It's called Ignorance.
A Book we will refer to in times of need or in times of prosperity.

So, from now on, I will be addressed as Your Royal Ignorance.

BTW, you never replied about the knowledge of the English people as to what did they vote for.
It may be false, but I'm reading there's a petition running around with more than a million signatures, asking to vote again. Because they didn't understand.
Your turn Sire.

It's just people under 24. They voted to stay in anyway.

What do they know.

They grew up in a world where it's fine to ignore democracy and cheat the system. Where you can just buy and if you don't like it you buy another. No interest in politics at all.

Of course the politicians not wanting to take responsibility and blame the markets or pseudo-privatised organisations, are the real problem.

The current generation of politicians are probably the worst in a very long time.

Bankers are hated but at least they make money for themselves. So the children bred to buy focus on those "idiots" that don't get payed much for being useless.

Most are not the sharpest knives in the box, granted, of course.

About 17 million (I don't remember exactly) voted to Leave. One million of the other 16 million aren't gonna make a difference.

It's absurd. It's exceptional that every vote counts and now they want to change that just because of this particular vote. It's soviet tactics. Honestly.

Of course, tuition fees went up due to the EU and many flee to the continent to get a free education without ever having or going to, pay for it.

Neoliberalism breeds opportunists and people that think free stuff is actually free.

Don't like it? Go elsewhere. Now there's no easy way out.

But there's never an easy way out.

Your Ignorance's point is that many many voters have no clue what they have voted for.
That can happen here. The only way trumpet would have a shot.
It still amazes me how many people he has offended, how many insults, how many lies, how many impossibles he has proposed, and that he has at least one vote out of his family.
I know my church will prosper. And soon. I'm surrounded.

People know what they voted for.

Bankers and those on low wages because of lower wages, young people for cheap education.

People who believe more in a democracy or more in a strong economy. Trickling down of wealth or redistributing wealth.

Many in Britain have never felt their vote mattered. People took the opportunity. It has been discussed endlessly and Brits believe in fairness. Much more so than most people in other countries.

But Englishness, Britishness in general, is rather like BPD. That doesn't mean people are stupid. Au contraire. The English do take rasher decisions. It's a damaging decision in many ways, but the right decision.

The British are just not used to be heard, appreciated.

Borderline crazy. I love it.

That also means that politics is conservative, systemically, to counteract that, generally. People have adopted (long ago) enough Stoicism to deal with extreme emotions and to withstand fear. People like Trump are not playing fair and he'd never seize power in the UK.

Systemically borderline crazy but very sane, rational leaders, and lots of conservatism.

Americans are really different. More European. Not calming down and carrying on.

Edit:
Others should learn from that.

Britain rule the (emotional) waves.

In the words of the Grand Prophet Takeshi, known to his friends a Tak, BP means British Personality.
In Your Ignorance's humble estimation, BPD means British Personality Distorted.

Yes I wrote that before. I think Takeshi used it in reference.

Self-deprecation is an art.

If I had to bet, I'll bet on you. Only 'cause you're British. And Tak Japanese.
They were the predecessors in the art of plagiarism. Way before the Chinese.
Now, this is a site for the crazies. Tak can beat you at that hands down.

Your Ignorance read the petition has more than four million signatures now.
How many under 24 are there in The Motherland?.