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Old Jul 16, 2017, 02:29 PM
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Of course I know that people are different. Correlation does not mean anything difinitive. Perhaps there is something about high intelligence that could be useful in solving the mystery of BP someday. Ignoring studies and correlations isn't in our best interests towards the pursuit of scientific understanding. If they found that those with diabetes had a higher that mean average intelligence, perhaps it could go towards finding the cure or treatment. I just don't think information should be discarded. Your post make some assumptions on how I think and you are very misinformed.
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Old Jul 16, 2017, 03:02 PM
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Of course I know that people are different. Correlation does not mean anything difinitive. Perhaps there is something about high intelligence that could be useful in solving the mystery of BP someday. Ignoring studies and correlations isn't in our best interests towards the pursuit of scientific understanding. If they found that those with diabetes had a higher that mean average intelligence, perhaps it could go towards finding the cure or treatment. I just don't think information should be discarded. Your post make some assumptions on how I think and you are very misinformed.
I thought it needless to say, since this is the response I often get when talking about anything that might in some way be linked to BP, it's a joke!

You express yourself well and I agree.

But people prefer to see BP as something seperate from, somehow external to, themselves, something they can't do anything about and only affects them negatively. Things that affect the mind so profoundly or their manifestation, whatever you reduce BP to or not, are different from illnesses or "regular" illnesses if you prefer: it affects you to the core and/or everything else is affected by it.

And even (other) illnesses may affect you in a positive and pretty profound way, as you alluded to.
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Old Jul 16, 2017, 03:03 PM
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There does seem to be a correlation. Here is an article about a recent study (click).
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Individuals who scored in the top 10% of manic features had a childhood IQ almost 10 points higher than those who scored in the lowest 10%. This correlation appeared strongest for those with high verbal IQ.
That isn't a huge gap on average but there is a decided trend. They also note:
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The results are consistent with previous research that suggests individuals with an increased genetic propensity to bipolar disorder were more likely to show a range of creative abilities, especially in areas where verbal proficiency may prove advantageous, such as in literature or leadership roles.
I don't know of any studies showing this kind of correlation with diabetes or cancer. That isn't surprising; those are diseases of the body so correlations with other body features like obesity would make more sense. BP is an illness of the mind, so a correlation to other features of the mind doesn't seem far fetched.
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Old Jul 16, 2017, 03:32 PM
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I thought it needless to say, since this is the response I often get when talking about anything that might in some way be linked to BP, it's a joke!

You express yourself well and I agree.

But people prefer to see BP as something seperate from, somehow external to, themselves, something they can't do anything about and only affects them negatively. Things that affect the mind so profoundly or their manifestation, whatever you reduce BP to or not, are different from illnesses or "regular" illnesses if you prefer: it affects you to the core and/or everything else is affected by it.

And even (other) illnesses may affect you in a positive and pretty profound way, as you alluded to.
I see what you mean and that you were joking. I get it, sorry I misunderstood. (((Hugs))). I "try" to look on the bright side of things. I've been told most of my problems are a result of overthinking. I don't know if that's entirely true but perhaps a little bit true. My physical illness is horrible and painful....but it's changed my perspective on what's important in life and I think it's made me a better person. Perhaps I'm fooling myself or looking at a bright side that doesn't exsist but I don't think so. My priorities have changed for the better and I've learned some valuable lessons through all my illnesses. The most intelligent people I've known have had some screws loose........some people whose screws have been loose have been anything but intelligent. Intelligence and mental illness are not a guarantee but I do believe a correlation exsists and that useful information can be gleamed from it. Seeing my BPas not all bad is helpful for me. Ive also noticed that most people who write on this board seem above average in the smarts department. Intelligence does not make someone a better person......I know plenty of under average people who are far kinder and nicer than their more intelligent peers. But high intelligence is useful and helpful to society and something to nurture.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 08:43 AM
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I hear that some people with bi-polar have high IQ. I think they might be right.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 01:15 PM
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My IQ is 130, which is considered gifted. I have considered that my brain just vibes on a different level and part of that means I have to deal with the ups and downs of my "gifted" mind.

I truly have a difficult time connecting with other humans and I see things very differently. In my career it helps a lot because I have to solve problems.

At the same time I can be inflexible and seem batty because I believe in extraterrestrials and that there are wrinkles in time and multiple levels of consciousness.

For example, I do not think Nikola Tesla was the mad scientist he is portrayed as in Frankenstein. He was tapping into knowledge that is available in the universe, sort of like an omnipresent cloud, most people cannot.

Neurotypicals cannot understand it so they use often derogatory labels to describe us. I personally think they are jealous that we can do things on a higher level, although we pay for it with the negative symptoms we experience.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 01:21 PM
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I hope that I did not come across as bragging, it's not meant that way.
Nope my situation was similar. I tried to go to college, then ended up dropping out and homeless. But when I got my **** together I joined the military so I could finish school. I am all or nothing. Number 1 or dead last.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 07:08 PM
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 08:59 PM
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Well I may very well have been intelligent before my diagnosis but put some medications into the mix and I've slipped sharply.
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