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Old Jun 14, 2012, 03:27 PM
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The article was written by someone called Thunderwolf in 2008. Supposedly a 'nurses forum' but I just checked, anyone can join.
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Old Jun 14, 2012, 04:58 PM
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I definitely understand why one would want to know who wrote the article, but I have to say, that the fact that it's an open forum for nurses and anyone could have written it, I know from first hand experience, that what that individual wrote about how inpatient mental health/behavioral units should treat their patients diagnosed with BPD, is pretty much how many of us have been treated when hospitalized. I was never diagnosed with this disorder until age 52, precipitated by a deep and severe depression, leading to hospitalization and the BPD diagnosis. Before being diagnosed, I functioned very well in society. Since getting out and recovering from the depression, I've continued to function well, holding down the same job for over twenty-eight years. The diagnosis and the treatment while in-patient taught me that I NEVER want to be hospitalized or seek that kind of treatment EVER again!

As someone in the mental health field, I hide my diagnosis because I know only too well how my colleagues (not all of them BUT a vast majority of them) feel, treat and talk about people like myself with the diagnosis of BPD. I have seen a small change in the treatment and conference presentations of people with BPD with the discovery of such treatments as DBT, Schema Therapy and Mentalizing Therapy, but therapists who are adequately trained in these manualized and research based therapys are few and far between. If you live in a rural remote area of the U.S., you are pretty much left to your own devices. And if you experience a personal crisis from being overwhelmed due to stress, hang onto your hat because if you're hospitalized, you are all too often in for a crushing and ugly mental health experience! Just my take on things.
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Old Jun 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Read some of the different comments from the comment section under the article. All I can say is the some of the comment both pissed me off and kind of made sense at the same time. Idk what to think right now, other than not to go back to a psych hospital anytime soon or ever for that matter, setting boundaries and rules for treatment are one thing but treating a patient like crap for their disorder and behaviors is another. Patients are there to get treatment and skills to help them, not be put down and told that they are "wasting time" and other such remarks, and just because bpd is harder to treat and aren't like other disorders doesn't mean it isn't worth treating, more understanding really is needed in the mental health community.
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If someone pushes and manipulates just for the mere fun of it..... not because they have fear or rage or anger or separation angst.... I really not tied this to borderline. The BPD'ers I met (even one who actually was so unpleasant that I hated her... she almost killed my friend's dog), acted out of some strong emotion when they tried to get their way. Like fear of being left. Or something else that really messed them up emotionally. Never calmly manipulating with good results. Their results were more just making things worse because they acted so on emotion.
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Read some of the different comments from the comment section under the article. All I can say is the some of the comment both pissed me off and kind of made sense at the same time. Idk what to think right now, other than not to go back to a psych hospital anytime soon or ever for that matter, setting boundaries and rules for treatment are one thing but treating a patient like crap for their disorder and behaviors is another. Patients are there to get treatment and skills to help them, not be put down and told that they are "wasting time" and other such remarks, and just because bpd is harder to treat and aren't like other disorders doesn't mean it isn't worth treating, more understanding really is needed in the mental health community.
Well said.

Sometimes, I wonder if mental health professionals complicate BPD recovery.
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I have found this article.what are your thoughts.ive copied and pasted it
Borderline Personality Disorder on the Behavioral Unit
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Folks with Borderline Personality Disorder or BPD can often be a challenge on a behavioral health unit. When dealing with BPD, here are some cognitive-behavioral tips:

1. Focus on the here and now, not yesterday or the past. The present is all that matters and where it leads to in the immediate future. The present is what placed the person on the unit in the first place. The future allows a way out.

2. Focus on cause and effect, his/her actions and the resultant consequences. Hold the person accountable for his/her actions (and choices) and how it contributes to his/her current state of unhappiness.

3. Be objective...always...during your interactions. Lose your objectivity, you pay the consequence of being manipulated now or later by the BPD.

4. Focus on hope and the ability/courage to change for the better. Most folks actually become empowered knowing that they can eventually beat the odds despite the setbacks...even if the BPD feigns/believes in the hopelessness.

5. Focus on the self, not on anyone else...externalizing keeps the problem unresolved.

6. Boundaries, boundaries always. My business has no business in the BPD's business. Codependent staff have the most difficulty with this. Folks with BPD often hone their radar out for codependent folks, be it other patients or staff. When the BPD begins focusing on you, shift it back. Do not become a BPD's victim or his/her escape from his/her reality.

7. Progress is measured by movement, not by staying the same. It is a forward movement. Staying the same breeds misery. The best progress is slow and planned. Beware of change that happens overnight...rarely does it succeed or last. When it does happen overnight, make a prediction for the BPD that it may fail. Prediction (or to future project consequences) is a powerful clinician tool. It is also a cognitive skill that we wish the BPD to develop as well...so we model it.

8. Challenge the BPD to improve his/her situation in a positive manner. Do not take NO for an answer. Challenge his/her choices for the better. It provides hope.

9. Focus on choices and the power in making better choices. Hold the BPD accountable to his/her choices and the actions that follow...for better or for worse. No blaming or externalizing...or poor me's. Keep it objective. The difference between being hopeful and being hopeless is in the cognitive choices we make.

10. Structure your interactions with a purpose, an agenda to be discussed/resolved. Ambiguity or having an ambiguous interaction will get you nothing but ambiguous results. Ambiguous interactions lead to little or no change and are a general waste of precious time. 1:1s and groups are to have a concrete focus. Place value on the time and on the interactions.

11. Do not be shaken when the BPD "tests the limits". It is nothing more than a interactional formality of trust for the person with BPD. Expect it to happen...be ready for it...remain objective. When your limits/structures set by you are challenged, it is nothing but the BPD asking "Can I trust you to keep me safe?" Despite the anger or threats by the BPD, the BPD actually comes to respect and trust you more when you do not cave in..."I can trust you, you can keep me safe, even from myself and when I try to manipulate you." For the BPD, the proof is in the pudding.

12. Educate the BPD to his/her diagnosis. Despite what some may think, it does NOT lead to a self fulfilling prophecy. What it does show to the BPD is that the condition is well known and is easily understood. Assist the BPD to identify his/her criteria that meets the diagnosis and begin problem solving/goal planning away from them. It also helps to keep the BPD objective...a desired goal.

13. Discuss responsibility with the BPD...but not as a punitive thing. Break it down for the BPD. An easy way is to look at the word itself...Responsibility....aka Response and Ability....that is it in a nutshell. It truly comes down to "being able" to "respond"...in this case, "in getting your genuine human needs met in a better way"...no different from anyone else. This is a good place to introduce Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. When you use the term Responsibility with the BPD, it is in reference to this. "How have you or what have you done today to get your fill in the blank personal need met?" Irresponsibility is couched in the manner that one has neglected his/her own personal needs, preventing his/her own happiness. If one wants to be happy, meeting one's needs are a requirement. Then tailor this with choices..."we can choose to be happy or unhappy...let's look at your basic human needs." or "No one is responsible for your happiness...but you are. What have you done today to accomplish this?" Give the responsibilty back to the BPD to own...even if he/she chooses not to...it is his/her choice.

14. Shy away from the victim mentality. Most folks of BPD WERE victims at one time. That is not the problem, however. The problem is that the BPD derives benefits in remaining a victim...and will fight tooth and nail to remain one. Lots of rewards, lots of power, lots of attention are won by it. It is better to focus on being a survivor, moving forward, removing oneself from it. The past holds no hope. The future does. That is the goal...not reliving or replaying the past. Setting boundaries on this is important. You are not to give the past any energy. The past is the road block to genuine progress. If the BPD pulls you back to the past or back to victimhood, redirect and redirect again. If the BPD chooses not to, it is time to close down the interaction. I would be comfortable in saying to him/her that "our purpose together is to see you succeed...and that can only be by moving forward. We can continue to talk about your progress now or get together later."...give the BPD the choice. Always choices, like a broken record. Remember, a victim has no choice. You let the BPD see that you refuse to play the victim game...leaving the choice of victimhood squarely in his/her own lap.

15. Choices...so important for you to model them for the BPD. A true choice allows you to always choose otherwise. Drawing choice charts are helpful. Choice A leads to additional choices X, Y, and Z. I can also choose not to do Choice A, which leads me to Choice B, which gives me choices D, E, and F. You get the picture. Again, pull the BPD into the head or into the world of cognition. The emotional quagmire and mud keeps the BPD stuck in his/her dilemma...like quicksand. Choices allow hope...emotional angst does not.

16. Do not fall for the statement "It is my choice to kill myself." This is game playing at its worst and is not a true choice. Remember, a choice always allows you to choose otherwise. Dead is dead...no other choice...therefore, not a true choice. Believe it or not, the BPD knows this...and wishes nothing more than to yank your chain. Don't fall for it...redirect.

15. Do not reward or give undue attention for misbehavior. During these times, you are to remain the most objective, matter of fact. Address the situation calmly, directly. Do not give the emotional response that the BPD hopes to gain from you. For little misbehaviors/comments, use benign neglect and/or have it be a topic for your 1:1.

16. For larger misbehaviors, remove the BPD from other patients...do not provide an audience (secondary gain). This can be via time outs/quiet times or via having the BPD perform some structured exercise. Seclusion or restraint is a last resort. Typically when it comes to this, it means the team missed the boat somewhere or didn't intervene early enough...for whatever reason.

17. During 1:1s, share your honest, objective observations about the BPD's behavior, choices that were present, and progress made. Focus on the positive, but do not lie. The BPD has wonderful radar in picking up dishonesty. If you cannot be congruent in honesty with the BPD during 1:1s, it will come back to haunt you. You may also become a focus of staff splitting later on as a result...for he/she has lost his/her respect and trust for you. Trust and integrity often go hand in hand. So, we have to model that integrity in order to genuinely gain that trust.

18. Monitor who the BPD gravitates towards...often they seek out other adult BPD's, adolescents (easily to manipulate), Passive Dependent types, and Codependents. Watch for the groupings and groupies. Often times, the BPD forms his/her group to be its leader, to challenge their cause as his/her own. During such, do not address the BPD as its leader...but acknowledge that each person will be addressed individually in time...take the BPD out of that role. The role of the BPD leader is nothing more than another game. It is also a planned distraction by the BPD to not address his/her own stuff on an individual level. Do not be suckered into it. Focus back on the BPD and what personal needs he/she needs to work on...as well as during the next 1:1. BPD's may also gravitate towards Antisocials to either perpetuate his/her victimhood and/or to manipulate them later. Monitor for this as well.

19. Now, the topic of 1:1s. It is best to schedule your 1:1 with your BPD at the very beginning of your shift...make them first. BPD's are very sensitive to slight. If pushed off to the end, they often interpret this as the other patients having special treatment. Don't play that game. Knock out the BPD 1:1s first if possible...it removes the BPD arguement and game. Structure the 1:1, make it count for something. Very important...objectively announce when the 1:1 time will be over (right off the bat)...and when it ends, it ends. Life does not wait for the BPD, neither do 1:1s. There are time frames. It also helps the BPD to remain focused. Structure what is to be discussed initially...the 1:1 needs to have an agenda...purposeless 1:1s to shoot the breeze are not therapeutic...you can do that on the unit. Make the 1:1 time valuable, focused. Use much of what I have just discussed above. Assign/agree upon homework/practice exercises till the next 1:1...in actuality, it continues the 1:1 past the 1:1 time for the BPD. It also creates an expectation set for the BPD to work on improvements. Come to a collaboration (if possible) in what the next 1:1 topic will be focused on. Have the BPD person feel valued in his/her 1:1 time, especially in the progress made. Always reward positive outcomes and progress in the 1:1. If after the 1:1 the BPD approaches you again for additional 1:1's, inform the BPD that 1:1 time is over for you and that journaling, homework, or making notes to bring for the next 1:1 would be the best option at this time. Embue the 1:1 time as a valuable commodity...something to not waste or to take lightly. Encourage the BPD to bring his/her notes back to the 1:1...it helps the BPD to objectify...very good.

20. Lastly, treat the BPD as an adult, not as a child...even if it is tempting. An adult BPD acting out like an adolescent is but a game playing role he/she chooses to play. It has also become a comfortable role for him/her...free of responsibility, many secondary gains, a nice distraction from working on the real issues and progress, and allows one to generate and bask in his/her own chaos. It also perpetuates his/her own victimhood. When the BPD plays the child, do not become his/her mom/dad/abuser/et cetera. You remain who you are. You are the nurse, a clinician. Monitor your own speech pattern and tone of voice. Monitor how you are now interacting with him/her...your structural interaction. How has the distance between you and him/her changed? Did you switch into a role easily placed by the BPD?...if you did, you have allowed yourself to be manipulated. Pull back, let another team member handle or end the 1:1, take a time out for yourself, regroup and refocus, and be more mindful the next time during the next interaction. Again, treat the BPD person as an adult, respectfully, honestly, but always objectively. Also, when you treat a BPD like a child, don't complain too loudly afterward when he/she does act this way. You got what you asked for (you structured it or failed to)...treat a BPD like a child, you WILL get childish behavior. You certainly expect better than that...so approach the interaction as one grownup to another. You will eventually get better results. And the BPD will eventually feel better respected as a person by you as well...making improved cooperation possible.

Remember, BPD is a personality disorder...it took a lifetime to achieve...it will take some time to diminish as a major problem. Most PD's mellow out with age on their own, with maybe Histrionic PD being the exception to the rule. So, until that time of the mellowing, expect acute symptom episodes and hospitalization. Despite this, the progression is certainly impacted by what the person does or does not do for oneself. This is where you come in during the hospital stay...providing the alternatives for a less bumpy road.

I think it makes us sound like attention seeking childish manipulators
I didn't read through all the comments, forgive me if I repeat something. I think that while this definitely has a negative spin on BPD, there is a lot of good constructive steps in there. I think many of the descriptions (while negative) fit me well. I think a lot of the suggestions would help me a lot. I didn't like #19. That would irk the crap out of me if the psychologist I saw would not be able to spare a few extra minutes of I needed it and there wasn't another patient she had to see right away. Obviously not every time, but in certain circumstances.

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Some things taught were to always treat them strict, never show emotions, never acknowledge their pain, because they don't feel real pain as we know it, they will try to destroy you because it is within their nature. The only thing that helps is treating them like criminals and give them no choices and never slip up and treat them as if they are human.
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I'm sorry but this is truly sick. Why in the world would it *ever* be acceptable to treat another human being this way?
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I didn't read through all the comments, forgive me if I repeat something. I think that while this definitely has a negative spin on BPD, there is a lot of good constructive steps in there. I think many of the descriptions (while negative) fit me well. I think a lot of the suggestions would help me a lot. I didn't like #19. That would irk the crap out of me if the psychologist I saw would not be able to spare a few extra minutes of I needed it and there wasn't another patient she had to see right away. Obviously not every time, but in certain circumstances.

Thanks for posting this.
You do make a valid point and you reiterate how different we all are and how our opinions on the article are.
Personally I seen the view of the artical was how to treat them giving tips to the professionals but not those with the disorder, and keep them away from everyone else, basically how they view us and the other negative aspects I seen. that doesn't mean that there weren't some good "tips" that we couldn't use to manage our behaviors. It was just how the mental health community views and treats people with bpd and other such disorders that has irked a lot of us. I haven't been dx'ed as of yet but have been treated very similar how a bpd patient usually is treated in a psych hospital and I was on the "kids' unit, point is the opinion goes both ways.
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I was Dx'ed with BPD at the age of 16. EXPLETIVE!!! The entire experience was hell. I left psychiatry, profoundly hurt and traumatized. My angry and bitterness persist to this day.

One staff psychiatrist at the local general hospital told me, "You are wasting my time." It hurt my feelings. How is that therapy?

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I thought you had to be over 18 to get a dx of BPD
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Oh boy does this need a trigger warning! Eff!

And I love how numbers 1 through 19 describe how to treat someone with BPD like a child, and then #20 says not to treat them like a child.

I have one therapist who thinks I'm BPD, and another who thinks c-PTSD and definitely NOT BPD. I want to email this to my BPD Dx therapist and ask, "Is this how you see me??"
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I'm sorry but this is truly sick. Why in the world would it *ever* be acceptable to treat another human being this way?
I think it is sick. I think it tells how some theory back then replaced people's common sense and empathy.

I don't think you should be gullible with anyone, not with patients either, but showing respect and caring should be the foundation of any treatment I think. You can be that and still challenge a client's perception if that is needed.
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I think it is sick. I think it tells how some theory back then replaced people's common sense and empathy.

I don't think you should be gullible with anyone, not with patients either, but showing respect and caring should be the foundation of any treatment I think. You can be that and still challenge a client's perception if that is needed.
Right in the article it says to treat the patient with respect.. It says to do exactly what you are saying it should say. Yes, it has a negative spin on all of it, which it definitely shouldn't (!), but it does say a few times to treat the client with respect.
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This is the first time i read this. Is it for nurses? It says, "...you are the nurse, the clinician." I hope for the love of all things holy that this is just meant for nurses, if they could just give us THAT....and not the whole GD inpatient unit.....b/c I know my last hospitalization, it was a few of the nurses that treated me with disrespect not the doctors, maybe I was lucky. I mean I hate to think in some hospitals this is what they are teaching the doctors....The whole article stinks. I hate s**t like this. Ive been treated a lot in NYC and Ive been lucky...I feel awful when I think about how behind the times other hospitals are and stereotyped BPDs are in other places...we are still the ugly step child of the mental health care system and we have a long way to go. How truly unfair to treat us like monsters. Sure there are a few good points in there, but i agree, overall it is GD negative and to anyone who really isnt very deep or educated yet, it is very influential in a powerful manner that could really hurt someone. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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