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Old Jul 09, 2018, 02:49 PM
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Old Jul 09, 2018, 03:33 PM
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I was actually 16, almost 17, but the DA and the detective fudged numbers to get me into adult court, the judge knew my mother's ex-friend and didn't recuse herself, and I had a public pretender who didn't care that there was a huge conflict of interest with the pre-sentence investigation...eh. The list goes on and on but I did what I did, so I guess PTSD/CPTSD/Whatever Else for the rest of my life is part of the sentence.

I really feel like that abrogates any claim/right to therapy and treatment, too, and that really just seems to encourage thoughts about very lethal forms of self-destruction and how those thoughts are justified.

Ha, what do I have to worry about from other people when nothing anyone can do to me can compare to the things I do to myself? All a part of the Pattern...

I'll see myself out of the thread, don't worry.
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Old Jul 09, 2018, 07:55 PM
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(((Michael))), there is no reason for you to not share here and you deserve to heal just like everyone else struggling does. Don't give into the negative messages you say to yourself either. 16 years old is VERY young and extremely naive and prone to making bad choices because of being so young yet.
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Old Jul 09, 2018, 09:06 PM
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Thank you for sharing this. I have been diagnosed with GAD as well, but I'm learning that I actually have c-ptsd. I look forward to reading this article.
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Old Jul 11, 2018, 03:39 AM
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I wouldn't read too much into that article, it has some useful points and was eye opening in some respects, but is also making a number of assumptions and claims I am not sure I would agree with or are supportable by the evidence myself (eg all CPTSD depression is 'reactive' on a biochemical level). It's trying to draw too clearcut a distinction between 'mental illness' and 'psychiatric injury' when I think in reality it is hard to draw a line between the two and as the article itself says many people with CPTSD will have been given mental illness diagnoses at some point even if it is arguably erroneous so they certainly will have a mental illness history. I have a long history of depression and GAD, OCD and various other mental health symptoms; the diagnosis of CPTSD helps tie them all together in a way that makes sense in the context of my personal history, and accounts for other symptoms like diminished future and startle reflex that I couldn't make sense of before. Personally I think a lot of things that get classed as mental illness are the result of trauma in various forms and don't buy into the heavily reductionist pseudo scientific theories medical model psychiatrists espouse. It's also important not to confuse symptoms with 'disease entities' - psychiatry tends to conflate them far too readily.
I think this article does a better job of explaining the relationship between CPTSD and mental health symptoms:

https://themighty.com/2017/08/life-i...disorder-ptsd/
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Old Jul 11, 2018, 04:47 AM
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I think this article does a better job of explaining the relationship between CPTSD and mental health symptoms:

https://themighty.com/2017/08/life-i...disorder-ptsd/
Perfect explanation. All the symptoms are me 100%. Some have toned down with years of therapy but so many remain and most likely always will.
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Old Jul 11, 2018, 05:12 AM
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Old Jul 11, 2018, 01:31 PM
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Many complex trauma survivors, who have experienced ongoing abuse, develop body hyper-vigilance. This is where the body is continually tensed, as though the body is “braced” for potential trauma. This leads to pain issues as the muscles are being overworked. Chronic pain and other issues related such as chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia can result.
This is what I experience and it can get SO PAINFUL that it immobilizes me to laying on my sofa trying to use the TV to distract me and hoping that laying and resting will reduce how painful it is for me. When I have too many days in a row I give in and take a Klonopin as that will significantly reduce the pain however it's a depressant so I have to be careful as it can increase my feeling depressed.
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Old Jul 11, 2018, 03:30 PM
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Yeah this is one reason I do Yoga and Relational embodied therapy - in different ways they both work on my armouring.
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Old Jul 11, 2018, 11:39 PM
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This is what I experience and it can get SO PAINFUL that it immobilizes me to laying on my sofa trying to use the TV to distract me and hoping that laying and resting will reduce how painful it is for me. When I have too many days in a row I give in and take a Klonopin as that will significantly reduce the pain however it's a depressant so I have to be careful as it can increase my feeling depressed.
I'm so sorry to hear that! I don't experience body armoring pain, but I'm finally understanding my own body armoring. I thought I just tended to hold my stress in my shoulders/neck area...well I'll say! I've had issues there for years. I'm learning it's okay to take care of myself so massage here I come lol.
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Old Jul 12, 2018, 02:51 AM
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That's one thing I haven't done yet, although I have considered it I'm very uneasy with being touched, particularly for prolonged periods, in certain places, and by someone I don't know.
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Old Jul 12, 2018, 02:04 PM
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I read the article on The Mighty. It made more sense to me.
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Old Jul 12, 2018, 02:13 PM
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The Mighty article is the most simplified description of me that I have found so far.

I relate very strongly with each symptom except for the loss of faith. That is the only thing that has held me together.

Thank you for posting it here. I also sent it to my counselor.
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I don't know about the hypervigilance, but I remember hating school because I hated being around other people I didn't know and worried way too much about what others think of me. There was also a lot of other stuff going on at the time, too...

As for loss of faith, yeah, been there, done that. It turned into a full-fledged phobia of death and dying. How do you overcome something like that with exposure therapy? Go Flatliners? There's literally no cure for such a phobia, and there's nothing someone can say to alieviate the reality of the situation. That in turn, turned into an obsession and that in turn has lead down some rather odd (and dark) paths.

When it first happened, I just sort of gave up everything and sank itnto a sort of stupor. I would wake up, stare at the wall all day, and then go to sleep. I remember almost nothing from those six weeks other than someone occasionally knocking at the door, which I would ignore. I lost 22 pounds from not eating at all. It was only because I was nearly force-fed and dragged out of my house by people I knew to get me to snap out of it that I did, and for weeks after, I remember feelling the pull of that stuporous sort of limbo, calling me back. And I would often catch myself sort of drifting down into it again every so often.

Feels like those times are coming back because it's really just getting to be too much.
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Old Jul 12, 2018, 05:06 PM
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Wow, that is really interesting. I never thought I'd make it to 18. Then never though I'd make it to 30...and now I'm approaching 40, I feel a little more certain it will happen, but still not sure. Definitely feel certain 50 won't happen. But I have done a lot of work and feel I can start make some future plans.

Thanks for this info, OE.

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Old Jul 12, 2018, 08:12 PM
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That's one thing I haven't done yet, although I have considered it I'm very uneasy with being touched, particularly for prolonged periods, in certain places, and by someone I don't know.
I understand that. I've gotten more comfortable with it because I've learned that really getting into the muscle helps me. I don't know of anything else that can provide immediate relief for me.

It also helps me to work only with women. Also, I remind myself that this is professional and I can report anything I disagree with if I'm willing to speak up. I tend to struggle more with being touched in personal relationships. Hugs, pats on the back, hand holding, etc. I really struggle with receiving love and support and knowing that's what people do when they appreciate you. They show affection.
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Old Jul 13, 2018, 02:38 AM
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Thanks - I will look into it again. My daughter actually offered me a Spa day for my birthday this year but I made excuses to turn it down.
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Thanks - I will look into it again. My daughter actually offered me a Spa day for my birthday this year but I made excuses to turn it down.

I completely understand. That's just what helps me, and maybe you will find that it helps you too. But of course whatever feels safe in regards to massage is just fine.
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