Regarding Luka Magnotta

lynn P. · Jun 10, 2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by George H.

hybristophilia? Had to look that one up

Never heard that exact term but yes there are people who are sexually aroused by gruesome content. Even more weird are people who want to have sex with dead bodies. A 14 yr old boy in my daughters class was looking up info about this - I never heard of people like this until my late 30's. The comments following the video, were disappointed there wasn't enough blood from the ice pic wounds and disappointed they didn't see the mortal wound causing death. Where the empathy - this is what worries me and if this was a member of their family, would they be this casual?

Magnotta clearly was obsessed with being famous and very impressed with his good looks. He also brags about being racist and is a member of a common racist site. He pretty well violated many moral rules....guess you can term it that way. He even let his dog partake in the act. Yay for Canada in having one of the most gruesome killers known and now he's world famous....he got his fame.

sunblossom · Jun 10, 2012, 08:42 PM

Lynn, I don't understand your resistance to a mental health evaluation of these horrific types of acts. How would that be an insult to others dx'ed with a mental illness? You may elect to only stick up for the kind law abiding mentally ill members of this site..... providing you can distinguish those among us..... but there will still be many many others mentally ill who are not so kind or law abiding as you would imagine them to be.

Don't be naive Lynn. You have no idea who you are meeting up with on this site and what any of us might be capable of or guilty of when we are not playing nice on PC. The only criteria to keep one out of the mentally ill club is to be mentally well. Off the charts evil acts put you in the club automatically from where I look.

Mental illness must factor into judicial sentencing. That does not necessarily equate to a lighter or easier sentence. It means appropriate sentencing. Just as in the case of the Greyhound story. He was sentenced and confined to an appropriate facility with the appropriate treatment and the appropriate protections in place. That is all our system of justice can do.

I am sorry for the pain you are suffering because of these kinds of stories. It is heartbreaking to even try to imagine how the families feel. It would be nice to imagine that somehow 'rules of etiquette' would prevent the exploitation of suffering but it doesn't seem possible. It can be as innocent as a 'tag' on a picture one posts up on facebook. Etiquette would suggest permission should be granted but few if any bother to ask a friends permission. If we, the general population, will violate our friends privacy without a thought then how could we imagine a world that would respect anyone's privacy be them friend, family, stranger or foe?

It seems to me that with world wide publication of anything possible, all we can do is be our own filter and stay away from spaces that will violate our individual sensitivities.

sunblossom · Jun 10, 2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane4rent

"Can an evil doer do evil with a clear and functional mind? " I would like to know this... that is an interesting question.

I know I am answering my own question.... lol..... I think not personally. I think for the brain to function clearly it needs to operate in balance and harmony with human emotions and super-human spirit. In balance with the essence of love's created humanity.

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Originally Posted by ladyjane4rent

"We search for answers and we search for justice but no matter what we fall short of finding any comfort or satisfaction." What could be the answer to this? When we are subjected to media speaking the truth of all angles in the world.. how does one find a way to "cleanse" after acknowledging the dirty truths?

I think we need to always be attentive to providing balance to the truths we learn. It is true that horrific things are there for us to witness but it is also true that there are beautiful things for us to witness in this life. We cleanse by letting go of fantasy and acknowledging reality. The evil and the divine. We carry on because we also know the greatest truth of all.... acts of love and kindness change the world. Your smile can save a life. The power to do good in the world is in each of our hands. We balance evil with the divine in our daily lives. We bring light where there is darkness.

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Originally Posted by ladyjane4rent

There could be no satisfaction because those who are outraged by these acts are the ones who can never be comforted after hearing it. All others are apathetic towards it or partaking in it, right?

Outrage, apathy, partake..... individual choices with effects and consequences each individual must determine for themselves. I think we can be comforted to know that while evil exists it does not rule the world. I think we can be comforted knowing we each have the power to change our world with each and ever deliberate act of kindness.

lynn P. · 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sunblossom

Lynn, I don't understand your resistance to a mental health evaluation of these horrific types of acts. How would that be an insult to others dx'ed with a mental illness? You may elect to only stick up for the kind law abiding mentally ill members of this site..... providing you can distinguish those among us..... but there will still be many many others mentally ill who are not so kind or law abiding as you would imagine them to be.

Don't be naive Lynn. You have no idea who you are meeting up with on this site and what any of us might be capable of or guilty of when we are not playing nice on PC. The only criteria to keep one out of the mentally ill club is to be mentally well. Off the charts evil acts put you in the club automatically from where I look.

Mental illness must factor into judicial sentencing. That does not necessarily equate to a lighter or easier sentence. It means appropriate sentencing. Just as in the case of the Greyhound story. He was sentenced and confined to an appropriate facility with the appropriate treatment and the appropriate protections in place. That is all our system of justice can do.

I am sorry for the pain you are suffering because of these kinds of stories. It is heartbreaking to even try to imagine how the families feel. It would be nice to imagine that somehow 'rules of etiquette' would prevent the exploitation of suffering but it doesn't seem possible. It can be as innocent as a 'tag' on a picture one posts up on facebook. Etiquette would suggest permission should be granted but few if any bother to ask a friends permission. If we, the general population, will violate our friends privacy without a thought then how could we imagine a world that would respect anyone's privacy be them friend, family, stranger or foe?

It seems to me that with world wide publication of anything possible, all we can do is be our own filter and stay away from spaces that will violate our individual sensitivities.

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Lynn, I don't understand your resistance to a mental health evaluation of these horrific types of acts. How would that be an insult to others dx'ed with a mental illness?

The main reason I initially said I wouldn't classify his actions to be mentally ill is - I get frustrated that every horrific crime has to be labeled mentally ill. Can't a person commit a horrific act and not be labeled mentally ill?? Yes I do think there's a stigma and some mentally ill people do get insulted when people jump to conclusions to explain a terrible crime. I'm very sure his lawyers will use the mental illness defense to the max. That's another pet peeve - so many times lawyers use mental illness to explain murders because they don't want to admit someone might be an awful person. Are all evil acts due to mental illness?

This case isn't similar to the other case of beheading on a Greyhound bus - that man had Schizophrenia. Magnotta has be planning this for years and even bragged how to disappear afterwards. He planned it out and directed his own video. He was lucid enough to mail out body parts and then escape the country.

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Don't be naive Lynn. You have no idea who you are meeting up with on this site and what any of us might be capable of or guilty of when we are not playing nice on PC.

I used to be naive when I was 18 but not anymore. Yes I do realize a person has to be careful with anyone online and true I don't know what people do when they're not online.

I honestly don't care if he is mentally ill - I was just so repulsed that I felt bad lumping him with other mentally ill people. I realize there are some dangerous mentally ill people. I wonder about this question - are all prisoners mentally ill and when is a person just bad and not mentally ill? Can a person be evil and not mentally ill? Every photo he took of himself...there's the same mean eyes. The other thread is more for discussing details and I think this thread focuses on that gory website ...why sites like this are allowed etc.

lynn P. · Jun 11, 2012, 08:13 AM

Here's a news link relative to this thread topic:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...re-police.html

MickG · Jun 11, 2012, 09:48 AM

Lynn, people have a hard time believing someone like me was stalked. They call me ill but websites like this gore site show how sick and twisted people can be and how they will sit back and happily watch someone else's torment. If a person will watch a murder what else are they capable of?

lynn P. · Jun 11, 2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MickG

Lynn, people have a hard time believing someone like me was stalked. They call me ill but websites like this gore site show how sick and twisted people can be and how they will sit back and happily watch someone else's torment. If a person will watch a murder what else are they capable of?

Yes I agree MickG and sorry you had to go through being stalked.

I like to understand many different kinds of people but I can't understand why someone would do what the killer did and why/how do others watch this without feeling sad, repulsed and most of all empathy.

Yes we should be aware of what's happening in the world, as this website claims - but we don't need a front row seat. As I said before, this victim has a family and its a shame for their loved one to be seen like this.

MickG · Jun 11, 2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lynn P.

Yes we should be aware of what's happening in the world, as this website claims - but we don't need a front row seat. As I said before, this victim has a family and its a shame for their loved one to be seen like this.

Well said, Lynn! Take good care of yourself.

seeker1950 · Jun 13, 2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lynn P.

Here's a news link relative to this thread topic:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...re-police.html

Thanks for posting the news link to this, Lynn. I hadn't been following the story. The news article, in itself, is perplexing, because it sounds like the Canadian police are waffling so much! Also, that people had contacted the police about the website and they dismissed it, initially.

Further, on the news site, so many responses from readers are defending the website "best gore." This is disturbing.

I can't watch anything like that, as it would stay in my head, and I'd have to work very hard to get the images out.

So, I'll definitely not be looking for the site. You are brave for investigating.

Odee · Jun 13, 2012, 03:03 PM

I hate to admit, but I have stumbled upon "Best Gore" before while searching for information on suicide. I was kind of vicariously exploring suicide through stories and videos at the time, kind of like having a suicide fantasy. I found the videos soothing in a terrifying way -- As in, the videos were so awful, they banished my serious consideration of suicide for the time being.

As for whether or not a suicidal person should be accessing information on suicide in that way.....well, that might be a topic for another day!

I think people like gorey videos for the same reason why like gore and horror in movies. It's a vicarious thrill, or a fascination with our mortality. It's like getting trapped in the "wrong end" of Youtube -- the part of youtube where all your "related vids" are videos of babies born without brains, conjoined twins, and boys with skin that breaks like glass. Fascinating and yet so.....so disturbing!

I think I could argue both ways on whether or not sites like BestGore should exist. Ideally, the internet should be a free resource for all of us -- I'm pretty sure I had read a research article about the very same hanging video the OP mentioned. But just as ideally, people would view all of this as merely factual information to be used that way -- not an outlet for sick fantasies, homicidal or suicidal. And absolutely not a way to dehumanize the lives of the victims.

As for Lynn's Comment: I originally read her "insult to others with mental illness" comment as more along the lines of saying "It's a shame that we have to be associated with such terrible people." That guy is definitely mentally ill, but I agree that I don't want to have to apply the same terminology to describe him as I would people here. We may consider ourselves F-d Up at times, but we're not murderous.

TheDragon · Jun 13, 2012, 04:33 PM

One of the things we enjoy in the Western world is freedom of press and expression. It comes with the good and the bad. That's why censorship is such a delicate issue because if laws start over stepping their bounds to censor the bad as well, then it wouldn't truly be freedom of expression.

I'm occasionally politically active, and know a lot of people who dedicate their lives to activism. Most of them value freedom of expression above all else and are completely against censorship. It's unfortunate stuff like that is around, but it is and people should have the right to say and think whatever they would like about it.

seeker1950 · Jun 13, 2012, 07:27 PM

Er...excuse me, but aren't we talking about the filming of crimes, sadistic crimes? How does "freedom of speech" and censorship fit into this? Please don't play that card. It's crime.

ladyjane4rent · Jun 13, 2012, 08:36 PM

The link that got me there did not provoke the warning

But I still would have read the article out of curiosity anyway though. A damn morbid curiosity.

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Originally Posted by puffyprue

Warning: Extremely Graphic!

You have stumbled upon a website that features gore videos and images. Due to extremely graphic nature of materials found on Best Gore, access is restricted to adults only. If you are 18 years of age or over and wish to be reminded of real life, then be my guest, but do NOT take the warning lightly. Videos and images posted on Best Gore are bloody, gut wrenching, teeth grinding, offensive and upsetting. Just as the life itself.

If you are not 18 or do not wish to preview this kind of content LEAVE THE SITE BY CLICKIN ON PICTURE OF CUTE PUPPY BELOW:

i only can speak for my self, for me this site have a warning and if you dont want to watch or triggering by things like this just simply leave the site, every human are different some have interest on political issue some on religion some on sex and some on murder, like me unfortunately iam the one who like to watch crime scene and interested to murder. iam curious to know the pattern and i need to see all these thing to learn and strong mentally ( want to be forensic psychologist and almost go to libya as therapist for children victim of war a year ago), i remembered when tsunami hit aceh a lot of my friends and people becamoe so depressed after back from there because dead body are everywhere and we never seen anything like that so instead of helping them a lot of people need therapy , and i think if its happened in my family or happened to me i want the world to see how cruel is that so people aware of it and so it would never happen to anyone else again.
just because i like to watch thing like this doesnt make me have desire to kill someone , the only human that i want to kill is me no one else i just happens to like crazy thing ..

i agree people are cruel and some comment are really sickening, but people like this are everywhere,i once stumbled to one video on youtube its a girl singing a song she's physically challannge and have prob
em with her speech and some comment there really sickening .. you not gonna believe people could say something like that but theres some p[eople just like that ..cruel and have no conscience

everything in life have negative and positive side .. and theres always pro and contra about everything.
i think its better to protect yourself from thing you dont want to see because internet its never a safe place anyway

*hugs*

ladyjane4rent · 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by puffyprue

Warning: Extremely Graphic!

You have stumbled upon a website that features gore videos and images. Due to extremely graphic nature of materials found on Best Gore, access is restricted to adults only. If you are 18 years of age or over and wish to be reminded of real life, then be my guest, but do NOT take the warning lightly. Videos and images posted on Best Gore are bloody, gut wrenching, teeth grinding, offensive and upsetting. Just as the life itself.

If you are not 18 or do not wish to preview this kind of content LEAVE THE SITE BY CLICKIN ON PICTURE OF CUTE PUPPY BELOW:

i only can speak for my self, for me this site have a warning and if you dont want to watch or triggering by things like this just simply leave the site, every human are different some have interest on political issue some on religion some on sex and some on murder, like me unfortunately iam the one who like to watch crime scene and interested to murder. iam curious to know the pattern and i need to see all these thing to learn and strong mentally ( want to be forensic psychologist and almost go to libya as therapist for children victim of war a year ago), i remembered when tsunami hit aceh a lot of my friends and people becamoe so depressed after back from there because dead body are everywhere and we never seen anything like that so instead of helping them a lot of people need therapy , and i think if its happened in my family or happened to me i want the world to see how cruel is that so people aware of it and so it would never happen to anyone else again.
just because i like to watch thing like this doesnt make me have desire to kill someone , the only human that i want to kill is me no one else i just happens to like crazy thing ..

i agree people are cruel and some comment are really sickening, but people like this are everywhere,i once stumbled to one video on youtube its a girl singing a song she's physically challannge and have prob
em with her speech and some comment there really sickening .. you not gonna believe people could say something like that but theres some p[eople just like that ..cruel and have no conscience

everything in life have negative and positive side .. and theres always pro and contra about everything.
i think its better to protect yourself from thing you dont want to see because internet its never a safe place anyway

*hugs*

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Originally Posted by lynn P.

Here's a news link relative to this thread topic:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...re-police.html

Well after reading the website owner's side of the story I kind of feel like he did so a service to me. I am now aware of how twisted a human can get as well as his followers. I did not watch that video and visited the website only that once to the article. But I got a full on insight of the evil part of the world. Now I am interested to see how this turns out for the owner.. good service to the public? Or should he be apprehended for allowing people to enjoy murder a little too much and disrespect other's lives?

On Second Thought:
A comment from the article on CBC:
I have seen the sight and explored it personally. I am a very open minded person and took a few days to digest what I thought of the site and it's "mission". Although, I have to admit that seeing one of the videos had a deep impact on me, and it did change my opinion a little on the justice system. I have to say, I find the site to do far more harm than any good to those who view it, or the public in general. Based on the comments of the most horrific videos, I do believe menally ill members are only feeding their illness. Such as those who are "arroused" by real life toruture and violence.

I feel that mental health is comparable to physical health. If you are not healthy, you have to make a conscious effort to create a healthier lifestyle. There is no miracle remedy. If someone has severe lung disease, then they should avoid smoking and seek healthy activities. If someone is arroused, excited, or even simply numb to real life cruelty, then they should avoid matierials that will worsen their condition.

Ultimately, after a few days of thinking on this.. I've come to the conclusion that just as " Kindness is contagious" so is cruelty and horror. It spreads the same exact way. So, I do feel that sites like this one have a significant and unhealthy impact on our society.

ladyjane4rent · Jun 13, 2012, 09:55 PM

Here is something else to read: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...suspended.html

TheDragon · Jun 13, 2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seeker1950

Er...excuse me, but aren't we talking about the filming of crimes, sadistic crimes? How does "freedom of speech" and censorship fit into this? Please don't play that card. It's crime.

I don't know about your country, but in Canada until it's tried for obscenity, it is not a crime. The act which is being filmed is obviously a crime, but the filming of such is not technically a crime. Furthermore, I took a look at that site and at the entry page is a huge warning that clearly indicates what is within the website, and is a proper legal warning. If one ignores this warning and decides to view the contents, but then finds it offensive and/or upsetting, that is understandable, but by ignoring the warning and then attempting to say it should be censored? That's something else entirely.

I was also addressing what people have said on the website. Having briefly browsing the website, I adamantly stick to what I said in that people have every right to think and say whatever they want about the contents of the site, unless they happen to go against free speech exceptions such as incitement.

So while I understand why the original poster and many others are upset and offended by this, I would also like to raise the idea that we cannot simply make everything we disagree with go away. Like I said, many of us who live in the West are lucky to have the freedom of speech, expression and information and with that comes the bad as well as the good. People are going to have very different opinions as well as likes and dislikes, but are going to have to accept the law as it is, and if they feel that strongly against it, we live in a democracy where we do have the power to speak out and act against it.

TheDragon · Jun 13, 2012, 11:13 PM

There's actually a page right now about the issue because some people do feel the site should be charged for obscenity on the website. Please be warned this is a graphic site, although there is nothing specifically graphic on this page. Please be further warned that you may not only disagree with the author's responses to media questions as well as the subject but offended.

http://www.bestgore.com/murder/the-sheep-vs-best-gore/

ladyjane4rent · Jun 14, 2012, 12:40 AM

Thank you for posting that. I so understand his point of view and retract my statement of wanting the internet censored. It was out of line for me since I am typically 100% against censorship. But I wonder why if he is doing us all such a great justice in exposing murderers and defending it's cause is for the good of humanity then why not create the site to be more... well, no less "evil" [lol] Know what I mean? A different domain... different atmosphere... different title... a meaning where when one stumbles across it they understand his motives behind it entirely instead of being confused. Such as WikiLeaks [I <3 wikileaks, btw] It is a clean, cut website. They have their purpose statement and there are no questions about it. The world knows they are there for making it a better place. But this site.. although I understand it's purpose... IS questionable as far as original-pre-Luka-motives go. Ya know?

TheDragon · Jun 14, 2012, 02:49 AM

Heh, if you like wikileaks you definitely have no right to call for censorship. But in all seriousness, I absolutely understand why you were upset at first, and I'll agree that the motives of the site were probably not pure at all no matter what the creator is saying now. I'll recognize the fact it did play a role in helping catch Magnotta, but since he's under fire right now he's probably just using that to his advantage.

Regardless, I stand by my belief that until it is tried under a court of law for obscenity, it still has a right to be there, even if some people will deem it "evil" or whatever one will so choose to call it. I'm not by any means saying I support this site, but I'm very firm on my beliefs about freedom of expression.

ladyjane4rent · Jun 14, 2012, 04:53 AM

Pff, I know right? God, I am such a hypocrite. lol I did get pretty fumed the first few days after reading his review on the video of Luka. But I cooled off and am back to thinking practically. I am glad I posted this thread and also glad so many different points of views have been brought to my attention. There is no fun in living through biased eyes. So, thank you to everyone [including you Dragon

] for inviting me to see this from different angles and for contributing other information. Youze guyz are awesomes.
So! Now we wait for the next update then we can bash heads about that!

lynn P. · 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDragon

There's actually a page right now about the issue because some people do feel the site should be charged for obscenity on the website. Please be warned this is a graphic site, although there is nothing specifically graphic on this page. Please be further warned that you may not only disagree with the author's responses to media questions as well as the subject but offended.

http://www.bestgore.com/murder/the-sheep-vs-best-gore/

That was interesting to read and the owner should be a lawyer. Most of what he says makes sense. I admit I was feeling very offended by the crime and the publication of the murder /desecration of the body - I supposed I'm one of the sheep....."Baaaaaaaaa" lol. I realize there are videos of Saddam Husein being hung etc, so why not this? Guess I'm just so disappointed things like this happens. Personally I wouldn't want my loved ones death/after death available online for all to see and casually comment on.

I thought snuff films were illegal? Eric Newman / Magnotta loved fame and seeing himself online. This is sort of like......... "what came 1st the chicken or the egg". Did this encourage Magnotta, by knowing he could orchestrate this and put it online to shock so many? Also don't like the casual comments - find the lack of empathy and detachment sad. As LadyJane4rent said - for some..... doesn't this feed their unhealthy state of mind, the same way seeing child pornography does for a pedophile??

Since I learned about all this - I've lost faith and feel sad about how some people are. Just don't know how a person could do this to another person or watch it without feeling repulsed/hurt. Sure I could kill someone in self defense or if they hurt my child - BUT I'm not going to chop up their body, perform a sexual act upon a dead person, use their chopped hand to masturbate, get a knife and fork to eat part of the buttock and let a dog gnaw at the severed stump where the foot was. This info was on the site.

If this was my family member, I would go insane. I still stand by the fact that a snuff film is illegal. Does he have child pornography on this site? That's the only line I want drawn and it should be a persons rite not to see their loved ones murdered or body desecrated. Should it be seen in court -yes. Also wonder how desensitization might encourage more violence and detachment from empathy for others. The pic on the main page is disturbing and I'm worried that mankind is really like this - to skewer a person - where the humanity? I really just wish crimes this vile didn't happen - know murders will always happen, but there's a degree of evil and now he's on the worst list...got his fame.

TheDragon · Jun 14, 2012, 10:15 AM

Hey Lynn, always good to hear from you.

I'm not a lawyer but I to my understanding of the law (Canadian and American), the definition of a "snuff film" is a film that is created without the aid of special effects depicting a murder, made with the intention of (obviously illegal) commercial purposes. Furthermore, in the event of such, it is the original creator that is at fault. The owner of this site neither creates these films (not to mention the site has a whole bunch of other stuff) and obviously runs the site out of interest rather than commercial purposes. Once again, until this site is tried under the obscenity law, I don't think what he's doing is illegal. I don't know about the legal status of the distribution of these things but I'm quite sure he's not doing anything that's out and out illegal, although the family is well within their right to sue..

The world's a mess Lynn and you have a kind heart so I understand why a lot of this is just downright baffling. There are so many theories under various studies such as sociology and philosophy to see why people are so screwed up now days, and it seems like no one quite understands it although people recognize several obvious factors. Personally being the cynic I am, I think people have always been like this, although admittedly perhaps we're looking at a somewhat more soulless world in the modern day, and it's simply the kind of access to media we have now days that makes it more transparent. Otherwise history has shown that relatively normal people are capable of extreme cruelty and immoral acts.

Ultimately, I disagree with the actions being taken in the video but I still belief in bare minimal censorship. If we learn how to censor the bad, we face the problems of "bad" being subjective and a general censorship screw up, and wouldn't you prefer a world where people can see so much that they can recognize good and bad for themselves? We must be able to see the bad in order to understand the good, and at the end of the day knowledge is knowledge.

lynn P. · 11:36 AM

Very well said TheDragon. I guess I just have too much empathy and truly feel sad for the victim and his family....tears in my eyes.

I would hope people would feel the same if this was my child. I wonder the same thing - are we less civilized or is it because the world is more transparent? Just don't know how people become like this. Its disappointing to read some of the cavalier comments - one was disappointed they didn't get to see the actual infliction of death and more blood when the ice pick was plunged. I could even witness a postmortem - guess it the disrespect and intentions that make me feel awful.

I understand and agree with fear of censorship, but I worry. Just so hard knowing this all exists. I've also calmed down and not the mad sheep I was before. Its very scary knowing people are like this and scary being the mother of 2 daughters.

Newman / Magnotta is also a proud racist and that's not mentioned enough. When I was 18 I was extremely naive and feel wiser now that I'm older - know about weird thing like necrophilia etc. When I see /hear things like this crime or the content of this site - it shocked me and I suppose I'm mourning ....knowing the world is worse than I thought. Feel I'm on the fence, leaning to your side The Dragon. I hope Magnotta suffers for what he did.

I wanted to ask this sincere question - should videos of suicides be allowed? Its obvious this is horrible for family and friend...so if a person tapes it...puts it online......should it be allowed to stay? I accidentally stumbled upon a video while looking for suicide helplines sadly.

seeker1950 · Jun 14, 2012, 02:15 PM

A couple of points trouble me: First of all, why this thread was moved from current events to Coping with Emotions

. Secondly, it is confusing to me that there seem to be people here splitting hairs about legality, when the OP was about the crimes committed by this sick person, and filming them, putting them on the internet. Like posting this stuff serves some kind of beneficial purpose?
Where are all you sane PC members?
I'll tell you exactly what this kind of thing does...what kind of "service" it affords: It feeds the sickos who watch with their lack of conscience, i.e. socio/psychopaths. I shudder to think of young people who enjoy watching this stuff. I shudder to think of people stumbling onto it accidentally....like young kids!

lynn P. · Jun 14, 2012, 02:53 PM

seeker1950 - I understand your frustration because I've been feeling strong emotions about this too. There another Luka Magnotta thread in Currents Events. This thread is more about the website that posted this video. Its still a current events but guess they thought to move it here....idk for sure.

I can't speak for those who don't want any censorship but the owner of the site is posting what's happening in the world. I suspect the family or the police will request him to take this one down. I'm grappling with knowing this crime was committed in its horrific fashion and with those who don't watch with any empathy. I read what happened and even that was horrific.

As far as young people - yes I worry too and parents should have a filter on their computer. It will be interesting and concerning, seeing how some young people mentally manage watching porn or even gore sites like this - basically growing up think porn represents what real sex is like. If you read what the owner wrote, he puts up a good argument - that he assisted in notifying the police and if the killer didn't tape it....maybe they never would have known who did it. Honestly I can see both sides - if terrible stuff is happening I do want to know about it, but I'd rather read it and not see it. I stumbled onto a suicide video and it really upset me terribly, since my brother ended his life. I really don't get those that like to watch this and complain if its not gory enough.

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