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Old Dec 12, 2011, 02:49 AM
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This is the first in a series of things that have been depressing me, even to the point where sometimes I'm not sure I want to live. Yeah, I hate that question, "What are you so depressed about?" Depression is an illness. You don't always have to be depressed "about" something, anymore than I am diabetic "about" something. But, maybe there are things more specific than I thought.

I'm 47 years old. “But that's still so young!” Yes, apparently it is. At least, it's young enough so that I am not worthy of being shown respect, and have no right to ask for it.

How do I know?

Growing up I constantly heard:
  • Don't argue with your elders. It's disrespectful.
  • Don't you dare talk to your (whoever) in that tone of voice! Show some respect!
  • I don't care if he isn't your father, he's an adult, so you respect him.
  • If your friend's mother tells you to call her K--, you smile, say “yes ma'am,” and continue to call her Mrs. G--. You're going to show respect anyway, even if other people don't enforce the rules.
  • If an adult says it's Tuesday, you keep your mouth shut even if you can prove it's Wednesday. It's disrespectful for a child to correct an adult.
  • Why? Because I said so. Now, respect me and do it.

At the same time, from the same people, I heard:
  • Respect is something you earn. You can't just demand it.

Obviously THEY can, but I can't.

When I was in my early 20's, a man in his mid-40's told me, “Of course people don't respect you. You're still young. If you get to be my age, and you're still not being respected, then you'll have the right to complain.” Well... here I am, in fact even older than he was. Am I being respected? Here is the evidence: Teenagers and young adults are more likely to call me “sweetie” than “ma'am.” Only my husband calls me Mrs., and that's as a term of endearment. Strangers, even children, address me by my first name, which the vast majority of the time they mispronounce, even after I correct it. Half of the people I've been going to church with for the past five years still aren't getting it right. My name has only four letters; how hard can it be? I am not entitled to an opinion. People still find it acceptable not to merely disagree, but also to fling hateful personal remarks at me while doing so. Just look in the comments section of almost any internet site. “Shut up, you stupid fat ugly old cow,” is among the tamest of the likely reactions. If someone makes a joke and it offends me, it is not that the joke was rude or disgusting, it is that I don't have a sense of humor. If people hurt me, I am not entitled to an apology. As a matter of fact, it's my fault, because I shouldn't be so sensitive. If I say I don't like being treated a certain way, I don't get what I prefer. I only get a lecture on how I shouldn't try to control others. They are allowed to stand up for themselves. I am not.

I am now older than anyone was who ever preached respect to me, at the time they said it. So what do I hear now, when it's long supposed to have been my turn to receive the respect? Of course I still hear that it has to be earned, not demanded, but also:
  • Respect doesn't necessarily come with age, nor should it.
  • Respect gets respect. You have to respect ME first, and then I'll respect you.
  • You teach a child respect by respecting the child.

Not that I am ever deliberately disrespectful, but that second bullet point sets up a possibility for an endless Zax situation. “You have to respect me first.” “No, YOU have to respect ME first.” “Well, I'm not going to respect you until you respect me.” And on it goes. I certainly wish someone had told the adults bringing me up that you teach a child respect by respecting the child. Of course, they probably would have laughed and called it the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard. Children are supposed to respect adults, not the other way around.

Ever play a game with a child who, like Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes, calls “do over” when he misses, wants extra head-start points when it's his turn, and keeps wanting to invent new rules designed to make it impossible for him to lose? Life has Calvined me. It changed the rules, just when I got to the point where it was my turn to benefit from them.

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Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:54 PM
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Life has Calvined me. It changed the rules, just when I got to the point where it was my turn to benefit from them.
A keen observation! Your parents demanded, and now society will neither give nor allow you to earn respect.
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This is the first in a series...
I look forward to the next installment.
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Old Dec 12, 2011, 02:03 PM
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could it be your parents were wrong? Why dwell on finding respect based on age. Because no offense... 47 is still kinda young. Try telling Madonna she is old... she would surely not take it as "you accomplished so much". Young means having still chances and life before you.

Feeling old is generally not a good thing. It means worn out and bitter to me. It means lagging behind the world. (I say I feel old when I cannot figure out some electrical gadget... or when I realize it has been years and years since some event).

Wisdom and age don't really have anything to do with each other. Respect and age? Not sure. I will treat everybody with manners, unless they do something that makes me reconsired that position. Respect is earned indeed.
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Old Dec 12, 2011, 02:09 PM
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Well founded, solidly *beautifully/brilliantly* written ...
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Old Dec 12, 2011, 05:37 PM
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My brother read a copy of this and offered some helpful insight.

People back then, and people now, meant two different things when they said "respect." In my childhood, when an adult said, "You'd better respect me," what the adult meant was, "You'd better obey me." Not the same thing at all. Respect is a mental action. Obedience is a physical action. Those adults would see the obedience, and call it respect, when on the inside the child may have been feeling anything but respect. I know that in my case, pretty darn near all of the time, what I was feeling was not respect but fear, dread, and occasionally hatred. I didn't behave because I was a "good kid." I behaved because I was terrified of that belt, switch, hairbrush, or whatever was going to be used on me if I didn't.

You know, sometimes on Facebook I come across one of those "repost if you agree" status updates that talks about, "Our generation was raised this way and that way, and we turned out OK." I never repost those things. I most certainly did not "turn out OK." I've had to work hard to even approach being normal.

My husband tells me nobody says "ma'am" or "sir" nowadays, and nobody is called Mr. or Mrs. Those words has gone out of the language the same as "groovy" and "daddy-o." And that's exactly what I'm talking about when I say life Calvined me by changing the rules. Just when I came of age and qualified to be "ma'am" and "Mrs.," society decreed, "You know what? That's passé. Let's stop doing that." It makes me think of many a game during my childhood, in which the other children all simultaneously decided their mothers were calling them, the very minute it was my turn to be "it."
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