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Old Apr 09, 2012, 01:56 AM
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It took me so long to realized this, but I now understand that depression is fixable(without meds). I learned that what a person say to themselves(or maybe what others say about you), rather it be good or bad we start to believe it. So if your like me and your always calling yourself lazy, then you will soon start to be lazy. We are the ones who put the limits on our lives. Sometimes depression can be cause by other people, but I learned that those people only have the power over you if YOU give IT to THEM. I don’t know about other people but I’m sick of wasting my life on being down. Life is short and depression kills, there is so many great things I can be using my time on. I learned that we got to change our mind set, we got to stop putting so much on ourselves or letting others weight us down. Also depressions makes you selfish( well this is what it think) because we don’t think about how it affects the people around us. Rather it be your wife, husband, children, friends, family, etc. Those people begin to run away because they start to carry around your weight as well. I realized that today, I cant make it all about me, me, me. Let me ask how they feel sometimes or how things are going on in their life. That’s what people need each other for to pick each other up, it’s a two way street and its only right. I realized today just from reading a few things that it’s a must I fix this problem or it will only get worst. Because those around me will sufferer and that’s not fair to them or myself. Its like now I cant make this all about me, what about my daughter, friends, family, etc. what about those things, see we got to remember were does all this fit into ourselves if we always making it around us. some things we cant fix or have the power over, Oh well but what we do have the power over now or can fix is what matters most. I don’t need drugs because its all a mental thing, meaning we have that power over our minds. We choose to be depress.

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Old Apr 09, 2012, 10:28 PM
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Congratulations on gaining the tenacity and determination to make your life more enjoyable and rewarding. If you can hold onto that strength without medications to help, that's great! I hope that your level of self-control stays high and works well for you.

Regarding your comment about depression being all mental, that simply isn't true. It has been scientifically proven that the brain physically changes in depression. Neurotransmitters that connect with feel-good chemical dopamine, are very low in supply. The result is depression. Anti-depressants boost dopamine levels, which helps us feel better. The trick is finding the right anti-depressant. Working on emotional issues that hold us back helps us feel better yet. Finally, changing our perspective on our illness improves our lives even more.

While I am honestly very happy for you ~ I do want you to understand that we don't have absolute control over our depression. I have become very angry with myself many times for not just letting go of issues following me in life, for not getting better, etc. My body is very resistant to most medications ~ not just anti-depressants either. I've being trying hard in therapy for about 30 years. So, please do remember that devotion to getting better isn't always all that it takes. Otherwise, I would have been over my depression many YEARS ago.

So, if your tenacity doesn't get you through this rough time, please don't keep holding yourself back from trying medication/s and therapy. Very best wishes to you!
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Old Apr 10, 2012, 04:12 AM
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Well said Shezbut.to 'changemeohyah',Good luck.I hope your tenancy will get you through the rough patches
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Old Apr 10, 2012, 04:30 AM
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No one choose to be depressed !
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Old Apr 10, 2012, 05:19 AM
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Regarding your comment about depression being all mental, that simply isn't true. It has been scientifically proven that the brain physically changes in depression. Neurotransmitters that connect with feel-good chemical dopamine, are very low in supply. The result is depression. Anti-depressants boost dopamine levels, which helps us feel better. The trick is finding the right anti-depressant. Working on emotional issues that hold us back helps us feel better yet. Finally, changing our perspective on our illness improves our lives even more.

Is there a proof what causes what? Low whateverchemical causes depression, or is low whateverchemical result of depression?

We don't chose to be depressed, it is a place where we get through series of events and mishaps, I think. But we chose how to deal with it. One has to be active and determined. One has to have that willpower and believe in themselves.

I agree that it should not be about "me me me"... and strangely enough not just for the others, but for ourselves as well. We need others and interaction with the world to thrive. Isolation and withdrawal does fuel our depression.
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Old Apr 10, 2012, 05:33 AM
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So what exactly was it that made you choose to be depressed? I have to be honest...I disagree with your basic premise and also with many of the things you said. I think I may feel more compassion and concern when I am depressed than I do normally. I don't think anyone has made or could make me feel real depression.
I'm happy that you found the secret to removing depression in your life and I do wish you well...
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 02:38 PM
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Is there a proof what causes what? Low whateverchemical causes depression, or is low whateverchemical result of depression?

We don't chose to be depressed, it is a place where we get through series of events and mishaps, I think. But we chose how to deal with it. One has to be active and determined. One has to have that willpower and believe in themselves.

I agree that it should not be about "me me me"... and strangely enough not just for the others, but for ourselves as well. We need others and interaction with the world to thrive. Isolation and withdrawal does fuel our depression.
There isn't scientific proof that low neurotransmitters cause depression, but the proof is that they are chemically related.

"Chemical Effects in Depression" - www.livestrong.com

While many factors can cause humans to feel sad for variable periods of time, true depression is a psychiatric symptom that has clear chemical origins. Research on depression and in the field of neuropsychology has revealed that low levels of certain neurotransmitters lead to symptoms of depression. Further, chemicals that raise levels of these neurotransmitters can relieve symptoms.
History

The first of the neurotransmitters to be linked to depression was serotonin, which is sometimes called the "happy neurotransmitter." Serotonin has many effects on the brain, one of which is to promote feelings of relaxation and well being. Serotonin deficiencies lead to depression and anxiety, explain Drs. Reginald Garrett and Charles Grisham in their book, "Biochemistry." Early attempts to treat depression involved drugs designed to prevent the body from breaking down serotonin, called MAOI drugs.
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Significance

The chemicals involved in producing depression, scientists have since found, are much more varied and variable--serotonin is not the sole cause of depression, nor is it the cause in every case. Researchers have identified norepinephrine, a brain chemical very similar in structure to epinephrine, as an additional culprit in producing chemical depression. In a 2004 article published in "Fundamentals of Clinical Pharmacology," researchers examined the role of dopamine, another neurotransmitter, in depression, and found that it also caused symptoms if concentrations were low.
Effects

Low levels of neurotransmitters including serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine leads to serious and persistent symptoms of depression. These include loss of interest or pleasure in life, low sex drive, feelings of despair, and chronic fatigue, explains MayoClinic.com. While normal human sorrow strikes from time to time, depression is continuous, isn't related to life events, and in serious cases, can lead individuals to think about dying or committing suicide. These effects are all products of faulty chemical signals in the brain sent by low levels of neurotransmitters.
Treatment

Thankfully for depression sufferers, since depression has a chemical basis, there are also chemicals that can have positive effects upon depression. These are the depression pharmaceutical drugs, and include the older MAOI drugs, as well as newer generation drugs called SSRIs. Like MAOIs, SSRIs, including Prozac, effect only serotonin. However, serotonin levels are so key to depression symptoms in so many cases that many individuals do quite well on serotonin-adjusting drugs, notes Dr. Neil Carlson in his book, "Fundamentals of Physiological Psychology."
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Some cases of depression require more than just adjustment of serotonin. MayoClinic.com notes that a newer drug marketed under the brand name Wellbutrin helps to adjust levels of dopamine and norepinephrine as well as serotonin, making it the only drug currently available on the market to do so. For individuals who don't respond well to serotonin drugs, Wellbutrin may offer relief from symptoms. Many antidepressant drugs increase blood pressure, so all individuals on antidepressants require physician monitoring.
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References

  • "Biochemistry"; Reginald Garrett, Ph.D. and Charles Grisham, Ph.D.; 2007
  • "Fundamentals of Clinical Pharmacology"; Dopamine, depression and antidepressants; E. Dailly et al.; December 2004
  • MayoClinic.com: Depression
  • "Foundations of Physiological Psychology"; Neil Carlson, Ph.D.; 2004
  • MayoClinic.com: NDRI Drugs
Article reviewed by Lynda Moultry Belcher Last updated on: Sep 28, 2010
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