How science has proven we are lesser/weaker people with worthless lives

It is possible for people to help drive one to suicide when I attempted part of it did have to do with how others where treating me or had treated me....however I do agree with the rest of your post pretty much entirely.

You do realize people aren't always given the option to avoid suffering and despair right? Lol its not like I went out looking for any suffering and despair and could have just simply avoided it...that is not how life tends to work. I would have loved to have the option to avoid much of the things that have caused me suffering and despair but was not given that opportunity. As for my mental problems that cause me misery, if I could just not have those issues it would be nice but I can't just up and turn them off.

Also I've had depression and anxiety since I can remember, i never was just experiencing pleasure living a blissful life....sure sometimes I experience pleasure, sometimes I enjoy things but yeah much of the time I can't enjoy things I like or I have too much mental turmoil to enjoy things. The way I see it sure I am suffering but that doesn't mean I can't find distractions or ever experience pleasure....sometimes pleasure happens in the midst of suffering. Like say something not so great is going on in your life, yet you still go out and maybe have a couple beers with some close people and enjoy that time even though over-all you're still suffering.

Also what makes pleasure the greatest aspect of humans? what about when people find pleasure hurting others is pleasure so wonderful than? I just am not getting where you got that experiencing pleasure is the greatest aspect of humans I can think of a number of other great aspects humans can have....like say helping each other. Why would finding greater value in things aside from pleasure cause any inferiority? that doesn't even make sense to me I'd think it would take a somewhat strong person to find more value in things aside from pleasure....like musicians who maybe care more about their music than pleasure, they can create something others will get something out of....how would that example be inferior?

Also go pursue you're nice happy blissful life....good for you if you find a cure to all your ailments and don't experience any pain or suffering anymore. I myself am going to keep a realistic perspective and realize my life is going to continue being difficult and i'll just have to get by as best I can and find some enjoyment along the way hopefully leave a positive impression on some people or help some before my time in this world is over.

Sounds more like pleasure is the most important thing to you, you're unhappy about not experiencing it so you've come up with all this to rationalize that not experiencing that makes you inferior and your life worthless...then going on to also try to convince anyone else with difficulty experiencing pleasure they are 'inferior' beings 'worthless' have worthless lives and shouldn't even be regarded as human, well this stuff you are saying really isn't true and telling people they are worthless and inferior is anything but inspiring actually.

Also pleasure is just a matter of brain chemistry and biology just like feelings of dispair/misery so how is it if one experiences lots of pleasure they are a superior human being...but if they instead experience more despair and misery they are an 'inferior' biological robot...since both are simple biological functions wouldn't both make one a biological robot? Also if one only cares about pleasure there is plenty of other stuff that can go to ***** in their life, balance is actually a good thing.

Where is the inspiration? seems more like trying to spread feelings of despair...'if you suffer from depression/mental health issues you are inferior' how is that supposed to be inspiring to anyone....seems if anything it would be a good thing to add to a check list of reasons why to commit suicide. .

I do not think its people who value other things more than pleasure who drive me to feel suicidal..to be entirely honest, also I didn't lose something that made my life worth living that is not why I suffer but I am not going to go into a life story since I don't need to be told how weak I am for my experiences.

I would be driven to homicide if someone told me to accept that my depression and anhedonia might never get better and that I am likely to have to live with it. I would be on the verge of homicide due to pleasure being the only greatest thing to me in life and for anyone to reject my yearning for my pleasure back and tell me to just accept and move on, they would no longer be compassionate human beings to me. However, the only thing that is keeping me calm is the possibility of a full recovery in the future through therapy, medication, or just over time on its own. So unless it was proven to me that I will never get better or fully recover, I will not be driven to homicide.

If you were to accept any loss in life besides your loss of pleasure and moved on in life, you would be the better person since you have found pleasure despite your loss and for no longer being depressed about that loss. But pleasure will forever be the greatest thing to me in my life (as my personal profound and meaningful experience of it says so) and, for me, to accept my loss of pleasure would make me the lesser person. It is the greatest aspect of me as a human being based on my experience of it and I would have demeaned myself for allowing myself to live my life as the lesser person.

Now you said that you have lost things in your life that made your life worth living and have moved on in life anyway. But the fact is, you have found something else in your life that now makes your life worth living which is what enabled you to accept your loss and move on. As for me though, pleasure is the only thing that will always make my own personal life worth living and I will never find anything else in my life worth living that will enable me to accept and move on like you have.

You would be a superior god-like human being in your state of pleasure and you would be an inferior biological robot in your state of no pleasure.

As for me, I could have chosen to not look up things on the internet such as the fact that there are treatment resistant people who do not get better. Knowing these things was the cause of my anhedonia.

We are all inferior because we are not superior immortal god-like beings who can rule over this life of suffering in having no suffering and despair in our lives.

Sorry, this sounds scary. Please get help, before you seriously screw up. Life is prison with knowing you done wrong is the farthest from pleasure that I can think of.

Actually, the only thing that is keeping me calm is the possibility of a full recovery in the future through therapy, medication, or just over time on its own. So unless it was proven to me that I will never get better or fully recover, I will not be driven to homicide. Also, go ahead and address all my other points I made in my previous post as well.

You would essentially be driven to homicide on potentially superior people who experience joy so as to give you joy? There does seem to be a fair bit of contradiction in this.

I'd also say that the step towards full recovery is by addressing all issues with your care provider. If there is a potential for you to do harm to others (or yourself), then that could be the move required for hospitalization so that they can balance out your meds and keep you (and others) safe until such time as you've stabilised and have a better outlook.

Now we are getting somewhere. What is your plan or what are you doing now to recover your ability to experience pleasure? Isn't that what is important for all of us? Shouldn't we focus on that and not some circular argument about being superior or inferior? We all have inherent value regardless of what state we are in. If 100% total recovery forever turns out not to be in the cards then you cross that bridge when you come to it. If a life of no recovery is not acceptable than don't accept it. What are you doing about it?

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