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__________________ MY BLOG IS NOW CONVENIENTLY LOCATED HERE!! [UPDATED: 4/30/2017] LIFE IS TOO SHORT, TOO VALUABLE AND TOO PRECIOUS A THING TO WASTE!! |
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There’s pain throughout the world; choosing to end one’s life due to rejection is “retaliation” therefore, perpetuating the form of rejection and that in it self is “stupid” move on and brings proper perspective on what your actually doing. And to even suggest one has the power to dictate what, how, when they can terminate their lives is treading on thin water to say the least. Committing suicide doesn’t achieve anything but causing a cycle of pain. Several people have alluded to the results of suicide and that is the permanence of the choice. Is the person willing to think that suicide isn’t “eternal?” One is brought into this world through the union of m/f but this unity and gift comes from one higher and He will say where ones soul will spend in “eternity.” It’s not just let me die and I’m done there’s a much larger picture here. Playing around with choices of methods, reasons, causes etc. can only muddle the fact that ones ending a “valid life” an important and precious gift which aught not be ended over superficial (or temporary emotions) such as rejection, or bitterness. These are temporary and will pass with time, ones soul is eternal but it’s important to choose the right place to spend it. __________________ [SIGPIC][SIGPIC] Forgiveness is not always easy but is possible! Last edited by jeremiahgirl; Apr 29, 2018 at 09:39 PM.. |
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*Slightly different situation* If my wife left me I would feel like my only reason to live would be gone and I probably would kill myself. Yet others throw parties when they get divorced. The value of these marriages vary from person to person, just like the value of life does. __________________ It's only paranoia until it happens. Why I don't trust doctors Things You Wish People Understood About Depression I mean what I say & I say what I mean. |
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One either believes in the sanctity of life or not. I believe, and that means all life. It also means that I believe life is a gift and therefore it is wrong to take life.
Sui "is a permanent solution to a temporary situation"...I find it almost impossible to endorse. |
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Ummmm....aren’t you the same Artchic who started the thread about how hurtful tough love is? how would you like it if you shared about being in pain and I told you that YOU were being “stupid and selfish”? Maybe you need to go give your post another read.
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Please don't say that. In some cases depression and the things that cause it are only temporary. There are some of us on here that have been dealing with this crap (depression and suicidal thoughts) for decades & will be for the rest of our lives. That is not temporary. So for us suicide is a permanent solution to a permanent problem.
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“Live for your pets” ?
No, allergic to all furry critters. Others will miss you? Some might .. a reason I’m still here. But I’m so ..... “selfish” ... Some of the arguments against su are bs. Imo __________________ |
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A good argument.. but not one I agree with. Everyone has potential, and most or all are intelligent How many decades are people supposed to put up with this **** for? When effective “treatments” are either not available or denied because of Cost. I’m not saying I “believe” su is a “good idea” But some doctors actually attempt to squash peoples “potential” .. UGH (Rhetorical question) __________________ |
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And this isn’t an attack, but an observation __________________ |
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Dying from mental illness is selfish and stupid? Because that is what you are saying. It's okay to die from cancer, it's not okay to die from mental illness. Yet one more example of people invalidating the suffering that occurs from depression. It's bad enough to get these ignorant opinions from "normal" people, it's worse to get it from those who suffer with mental illness themselves. It is not okay to tell someone what their suffering and pain is worth or not worth.
VO: When I was severely depressed there was nothing anyone could say to convince me life was worth living, so I'm not going to rattle off reasons. I will say though that if you can battle through the depression, it is possible to get to a place where you see the reasons and your worth. Your pain is real. Your pain is valid. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. |
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Suicide is not the solution to any problem.
"Life is not a problem to solve. It is a game to play." So try to enjoy every moment of the life. That is possible only if you live in present moment. |
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I can see both sides, having been actively suicidal in 2012 myself and having also lost a friend to suicide.
My online friend who I lost, she lived in a different country to me so I was asleep when she needed me the most and I never forgave myself for that. If I'd been online when she was about to do it, she may have talked to me about it and not gone ahead and done it. I also understand the pain that people are in when they feel bad enough to try, as I said I was actively suicidal myself a few years ago so I understand it. |
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I do believe in the value of life... __________________ |
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“Actively suicidal” - not many would understand the “strength” of those who endure this for ... so long.. without “bothering” the “medical professionals”
And of course, without being “overly needy” or a “burden” to anyone.. __________________ |
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I honestly don't believe that there's much to be gained by debating the rights/wrongs of this - it's too closely linked to personal situation/belief/perception.
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Black / white I think there is some value in this debate (for one thing maybe some here are only now expressing their opinions) But I agree, it’s very closely linked to personal situation/belief/perception __________________ |
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I also agree that it is possible to recover. For some people entirely, for me, it's not complete recovery, it's more of a remission or stabilization, but it's wonderful and I will take it. I do appreciate the many viewpoints shared on this thread. I think for the most part it has been an honest and refreshing discussion of a thought many of us have at some point. Seesaw __________________ What if I fall? Oh, my dear, but what if you fly? Primary Dx: C-PTSD and Severe Chronic Treatment Resistant Major Depressive Disorder Secondary Dx: Generalized Anxiety Disorder with mild Agoraphobia. Meds I've tried: Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, Remeron, Elavil, Wellbutrin, Risperidone, Abilify, Prazosin, Paxil, Trazadone, Tramadol, Topomax, Xanax, Propranolol, Valium, Visteril, Vraylar, Selinor, Clonopin, Ambien Treatments I've done: CBT, DBT, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), Talk therapy, psychotherapy, exercise, diet, sleeping more, sleeping less... |
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I didn't mention it in my original reply, but I do have another way of keeping myself alive on an hour by hour basis. As I said before, I've been sick both physically and mentally. Getting sick physically and going through all of the emotions that went with it, I learned that I will always have the option to die and it's in fact inevitable but I won't always have the option to live. The reason that this has kept me alive is because I'm stubborn and dead set on finding peace. I have to explore all of the ways to accomplish this while the option of living still exists because that's just how my mind works. To be honest, I feel I've tried near everything I can to get some form of peace, so this way of thinking might end up killing me after all.
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