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I have said on here a few times that I can't get medication for my depression because I don't trust doctors. Inevitably someone still tries to convince me to just "trust them" or something to that effect and it really pisses me off. Here is why I don't trust doctors and I can't ever go back to one again.
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Sorry for the long post. __________________ It's only paranoia until it happens. Why I don't trust doctors Things You Wish People Understood About Depression I mean what I say & I say what I mean. Last edited by Humpty Dumpty; Jun 30, 2016 at 04:27 PM.. |
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Humpty, No wonder you don't trust doctors. I think the state and nonprofit facilities where people are committed against their will are the worst of the worst. -Myst
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I don't trust doctors either
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Like I say it's only paranoia until it happens. I have good reason to be parinoid. All of my concerns are legitimate, but I'm still branded as parinoid. whatever
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__________________ It's only paranoia until it happens. Why I don't trust doctors Things You Wish People Understood About Depression I mean what I say & I say what I mean. |
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You had a very traumatic experience with them. Personally my doctors have respected my privacy but considering what you went through I don't think anyone would blame you for not trusting them. If you cant trust the doctors they may not be very helpful as you will likely resist treatment and have a lot of friction.
It sounds like they bullied you into getting admitted. You may have been able to refuse and make them obtain a court order. The burden should be on them to prove you are a danger. Someone can have suicidal thoughts but not be a danger. It's a symptom of depression. The law gets tricky though. From my experience medical doctors are concerned with vague thoughts but when there is a specific plan they may feel you are a danger. I was hospitalized once after talking to my therapist. I was honest and at the time I did need to. I admitted myself so it was easier to get out when I found the hospital was not the treatment I needed. There are over the counter medicines that may help your depression. Like St. Johns wort or supplements. They may not be as effective and your options could be more limited, but it could be worth the try if you are in a bad place and don't know what else to do. Have you thought about group therapy? Maybe being able to talk to people struggling with the same issues and building a support system you feel safe with could help you. __________________ "Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." |
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As far as supliments I have tried 5 HTP for about 3 weeks and quit because it had my emotions all over the place. Literally I would be really happy almost on the verge of excited (over nothing) to 5 minutes later being really sad. This made my depression worse because I hated feeling that way. __________________ It's only paranoia until it happens. Why I don't trust doctors Things You Wish People Understood About Depression I mean what I say & I say what I mean. |
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Psychology is a very, very poor science. Sometimes it seems a pseudoscience or even charlatanism, in my humble opinion.
I don't trust them either... But there may be exceptions, idk. |
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I'm so sorry you had those experiences. Doctors can be awful and we need to self-advocate. The problem is that it is almost impossible to self-advocate when you are at your lowest.
Can you report them calling your wife? If you are in USA it is a HIPPA violation. I do have a pdoc and she is OK. Good, not great. You could try going to a pdoc on your own. You could also try a therapist who is understanding, helpful, and understand the meaning of the words private and confidential. It is difficult but check yelp and various other sources. Then interview a few. That's worked for me. Check who is covered by your insurance before you start looking. Just some thoughts. |
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As far as finding a Pdoc I have tried. I have been through all of the ones my insurance covers. I have gotten a list before and had to cold call & would sometimes get a women's center. I'm not a woman. :/ __________________ It's only paranoia until it happens. Why I don't trust doctors Things You Wish People Understood About Depression I mean what I say & I say what I mean. |
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My general feeling is that mainstream healthcare should be avoided at all costs. In an emergency you sometimes have no choice but to engage with it. Most of the doctors I have seen are fanatical drug pushers and were more likely to harm than help.
Sounds traumatic what you went through. Anyway, are you in a location where you have access to legal medicinal cannabis? Powerful stuff. Fair bit of evidence for efficacy with depression, anxiety, PTSD, and more. Also might be worthwhile to seek out a doctor of Functional or Naturopathic medicine. This generally means going outside the mainstream system, which means higher cost, but likely you will be treated like a human being rather than than a piece of meat. |
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No I am not. On top of that my employer does not allow it & yes they do do random drug tests, yearly drug tests, & drug tests whenever you file an OJI.
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That is just an incredible set of horrible experiences. I can tell you were really invested in your health and kept trying: only to be screwed over and over.
I think people keep recommending that you try things out is because some of us have had good luck with the system and meds. I am so sorry you have had so many traumatic experiences. When I was admitted to detox they had a student come in and grill me for over an hour like I was a mouse in a cage. I was drunk when I went in so I just gave my permission. I thought I had to do everything they said. They also locked the doors behind me so I couldn't leave. This was before I had signed any sort of paper. Once you're in they call your insurance, make sure you can pay and then off you go. The only real help I can offer is this: I take Source Naturals Wellness Formula supplement. I can honestly say they changed my life. They brought me out of walking pneumonia and I feel have kept me really physically healthy. As I was taking them I noticed my depression symptoms were really improving as well. I was energetic, happy and involved. I actually gave out bottles to a few friends. I realized this past weekend I have forgotten to take them for a few weeks as I was prescribed a new med. I am going right now to start up again. 2 in the morning, 2 in the evening. Also, my psychiatrist has given me Atenelol for my familial tremors. My hands shake unless I take this medicine. Of all the meds I take this is a miracle for me. No more shaking! I am an artist who does detailed work and this med saved me. These are just things that worked for me. I really hope someday you find the right people in your life that can help you. __________________ Cymbalta 90mgs Lamictal 200 Gabapentin 800 mgs Baclofen 40 mgs Atenolol 100 mgs (familial tremors) Trazadone as needed for sleep Source Naturals Wellness Formula: I can't say enough about this supplement. For whatever reason, it keeps my depression at bay and I feel so much better when I take it. |
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GGChar: Thanks for posting about Source Naturals Wellness Formula. Hearing that it helped your depression really makes me want to try it.
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5htp is a neurotransmitter precursor so could possibly alter brain chemistry. Not all OTC supplements are going to do this. Seems Rx meds pose a similar danger.
Could consider supplementing with basic nutrients that function more globally and are known to be vital to brain function - B vitamins, vit D, magnesium, zinc, essential fatty acids. Plus the usual good sleep, sunshine, exercise, Also unaddressed hypothyroid and hypoadrenals can be ruinous to mood, energy, etc. |
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To echo BudFox's word, what has done to you is unconscionable.
Thanks for sharing the story. You seem too nice to care about the trigger, the code is for suckers, any one of us can pull it 'cuz nobody else knows what's in our clips, in the chambers. You're the hope, the hope for a new chamber of commerce. As I see it, your marriage was violated, f-ed over by these thugs, leaving you bamboozled. I'm really sorry for what happened to you. |
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I totally understand and am kinda in the same boat. I don't really trust doctors either. and I don't tell people things cuz the only way to protect myself is to keep it inside, imo!
but here's what I would do. I'd get as much ROI forms and papers as you can. even get a digital recorder and record convos as people explain things to you. then I'd consult with a lawyer! releasing health information and forcing a person to comply with or consent to something is a crime. let the lawyer tell you exactly what medical people can do and not do. I've had a little run-in with that myself. I think at one point, I drafted my own ROI form (different than the general ones) and used that. I think if medical people can't adhere to the privacy rules and laws, then screw them! I have a lawyer right now for a car crash case, and even all the records he needs is f-ing scary! and I flat out told him that there was no way in h*ll I'd ever take this to court cuz then ALL my medical records become public (not only the other lawyers seeing them but the county where the court is, people could go look them up)!!! hearing him explain that possibility to me, I think scared the holy living **** out of me! and insurance companies aren't much better either. and never sign a blank ROI form, if people tell you they will fill in later the info about who it goes to or is for! cuz some of those say photocopies are valid - meaning multiple copies could be made and filled out later! (used for god knows what purposes) holy cow, now I'm sounding a little paranoid... |
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Doesn't sound like parinoia to me. Sounds like someone with legitimate concerns. "Oh who the hell would want my social security number or my identity? You're just being paranoid." That was a common thought until the 90s I believe. Now there are business out there built on that "parinoia".
It's only paranoia until it happens. So no you're not being paranoid at all you bring up legitimate concerns. __________________ It's only paranoia until it happens. Why I don't trust doctors Things You Wish People Understood About Depression I mean what I say & I say what I mean. |
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Hello Humpty D. You have written an important, thorough account of what can go wrong. Your account is a testament to how dysfuntional the whole mental health care system is. Of course your trust is shattered. I'm a consumer of mental health care services and, also, a nurse who has worked - rather briefly - in psych care venues. A lot of what you narrated was not only a betrayal of your trust but, also, flat out illegal. Based on my experience, I do warn people to be extremely careful in dealing with the system. It seems you just can't be careful enough to guarantee that stuff like what you narrated doesn't happen.
Here's a few offerings gleaned from my experience: First of all - Never assume that anyone who tells you anything actually knows what they're talking about. That person may even truly believe what they are saying and still be completely wrong. Also, some people will flat out lie to you. You absolutely do have a legal right to not have all your medical information disclosed to your wife. An exception would be if you were telling doctors or therapists that you were planning to kill your wife. Then they would have a legal duty to warn her. Short of that, there's not much that you have any obligation to let them disclose. About the only way around that would be if you were so permanently mentally incompetent that a court appointed your wife as your legal guardian. It takes a hearing and a judge to set that up. Then your wife would have the same access to your medical information that she would have on a small child. (By the way, there are even legal limits on how far medical professionals can go in disregarding a child's requests for privacy.) So that doctor threatening to send you to a state facility may have been over-stepping his authority. Psych hospitals always have a conference room that is used as a make-shift courtroom, and they do hold legal hearings there, presided over by a judge, all the time. No doctor can just "have the court" commit you to anything. The judge is not a puppet of the doctor. The doctor merely offers his opinion to the judge. The judge gives that opinion due consideration, but does not blindly follow the recommendation of any doctor. The judge would also engage you in conversation and listen carefully to your concerns. We have a tradition in this country of judges being slow to take away the freedom of a citizen, or to declare a person mentally incompetent. I think that doctor was totally bluffing about getting a court to send you to a state facility. Making phoney threats, by the way, is illegal. Even if a judge felt you were not safe to be released, he would most likely have simply extended the number of days that you could be involuntarily held at the place you were in - most likely to a week to 30 days. Then a reassessment would be in order before detaining you longer. Insurance companies do pretty much have a legal right to thoroughly review the medical record of care they are being asked to pay for. Spouses have absolutely no such right. You don't even have to allow your spouse to visit you in the hospital. You most certainly do not have to allow her to attend your sessions with pdocs and couselors. Point #2: After signing a release of information form, you have a right to rescind that permission at any time. Also, standard forms do not always offer options that exactly correspond to what you want to stipulate. You have a right to take a blank sheet of paper and write on it specific stipulations that are not covered by the standard form. Then you write on the standard form that there is an additional handwritten sratement that modifies the standard form and you direct that all relevant parties must refer to it. Kind of sad, isn't it, that you have to become almost an apprentice lawyer to protect yourself, but you do. I believe you were outright lied to by professionals who knew they were lying. It happens. Having said all of that, I do not want to discourage you from seeking whatever help and treatment you may actually need. I affirm your conclusion that you can not trust anyone in this system. However, you can educate yourself about your rights and how to assert them. (Hard to do in the midst of an emotional breakdown, I know.) |
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