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Old Mar 10, 2013, 03:46 PM
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You absolutely said I was a fake because of what I did. You think because you just imply it that it don't count. Your wrong. AlsoI have lived in New York State all my life and most of what you tell others is not what I have recently learned about the treatment of DID. And I am sorry for calling you an idiot and using profanity. I have been having a rough time recently because of the horrific abuse I took as a child and was very angry at you for daring to say that I had should not have tried to protect my sister from my truth. I am still angry at you for that. And I still think you need to educate yourself if you are going to be passing out advice. Because if you weren't intending to be passing out advice you would not be responding to everyone and everything on this site. Hopefully you are opened minded enough to read some of the other posts and consider what is being said.
Im sorry but when I reread my post I did not see anywhere, where it was implied that ....you...were faking...

my post very clearly states I was talking about me and my own therapist... now I dont see why this thread has been turned around to attacking me just because I chose to let you all know what my own therapist would have felt if I had done this... I did not write that to mean this was what other peoples treatment providers would have thought...

when I read your post, it made me wonder what ...my own...treatment provider would have thought if I had answered a phone call from my own sister and sat in front of my therapist making my own voice sound like an alter, because the alter did not take over...

the bottom line is...

my own therapist would have confronted me on it.

my own therapist would have asked me point blank why ...I ..had pretended to be an alter when I hadnt switched into an alter.

my own therapist would have asked me point blank all those questions I had posted that she would ask...

why?

because here where I live and work it is called ...pretending, faking ...when a person acts like they are an alter when they have not switched into one.

I am not saying this is what anyone elses therapist would have said and done....this is only what my own treatment providers would have said and done to me if I had done that.

Im sorry that there are those of you who feel like what my own treatment providers would do with me is called bullying and attacking you...

lets take this from a different angle for a moment...

if I read someones post sayinmg their treatment provider lets them drink booze during their therapy session does that mean mine does that or has to do that too...

of course not..

does that mean someone is implying I have to drink booze during my therapy sessions..

of course not.

iF I posted I yelled at my therapist and someone posted a reply saying if they had yelled at their therapist like that their therapist would have dropped them, or imposed some boundry/disciplinary action...

does that mean that poster is attacking me or that they are bullying me, or that they are wrong for posting what their own therapist would have done if they had yelled at their therapist like I do?

of course not.

just because one cleint therapist relationship is different from another members and the member posts about it does not mean the one posting is implying things...plain and simple they are just writing their ...own experience if that situation had happened to them and their own therapist...

now if anyone else wants to keep discussing this and whether I posted right or wrong ..you have two choices...

one take it to pm so that if the orignal poster wants to continue discussion their own problem they can...

two there is a report the post to the moderators button for anyone who feels a poster was attacking / bullying/ posting wrong.

my own decision is to move on to other things. I have wasted enough of my time and energy on trying to explain the point of view from which I was posting from.

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Old Mar 10, 2013, 03:50 PM
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Ok so it was an emergent phone call. I apologise. I meant to say in my post and forgot unless emergent...

T 's are people too. They are not perfect. In fact I'd bet if you ask most T's they'd say they've had some type of counselingvin their own lives. Having slightly messed up lives is what brings zome prople to that feild. Now of course they can't be dangerous.... but i know my own T had therapy years ago for PTSD living with an alchoholic father. IMO. T'S who have lives it are the best at it.

Like my home health nurse survived stage 4 breadt cancer twice! She has a central line like I do has spent much timevin hospital as i have and so "gets it" same for T's who have had therapy for something they "get it" but we can agree to disagree.
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 08:20 AM
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now i am just a little worried. i am not able to consciously fake or do anything like that. The switch would have happened faster than i could think and...well. Or i would have said i have to call you back hung up and turned the phone off before i could think about it.
So does this mean i am more sick than i realized?
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 09:39 AM
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No i can't conciousily switch either. I usually don't answer my phone in therapy but in potential family crisis i would explaining that to T first. Remember we are all at a diffrrent point on our journey with this. Clarity can do it I Think because of co conciousnous but someone correct me if i am wrong?
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 10:39 AM
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now i am just a little worried. i am not able to consciously fake or do anything like that. The switch would have happened faster than i could think and...well. Or i would have said i have to call you back hung up and turned the phone off before i could think about it.
So does this mean i am more sick than i realized?
No, it means you are a different person with the needs of a different system that is at a different stage of healing.
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 11:04 AM
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No i can't conciousily switch either. I usually don't answer my phone in therapy but in potential family crisis i would explaining that to T first. Remember we are all at a diffrrent point on our journey with this. Clarity can do it I Think because of co conciousnous but someone correct me if i am wrong?
my own personal belief is that anyone can pretend anything they want. children learn how to change their voice at will naturally through playing house, dress up, and other games with their friends. if you watch children at play you will see one may say "Im a singer" "Im Harry potter" Im a Monster" ...what ever game they are playing and they purposely change how they are talking to match what ever they are playing.. in schools teachers have the children purposely act out skits, or life skills actions that may include the children making their voices change...what does a cow say and the class makes their voice say a deep sounding "mooooo" what does a mouse say and the students purposely change their voice to a quiet, meek squeek...in jr high and high school students sign up for chorus and partake in the school musicals and plays where they have to purposely pretend/fake being a character in the play right on down to purposely making their voice fit the character they are pretending/faking to be..

even adults change their voices purposely to fake/pretend things,sound effects/emphasis of what ever they are talking about. my wife who does not have DID this morning pretended to be our neighbor as she was telling me about her latest encounter with the woman (the neighbor is one of these nosey next door neighbors with a high annoying type voice when she is gossiping about others or trying to stick her nose in our affairs.) I have to say it was quite a comical and right on target representation of the neighbor. lol

in the crisis center when we work with children we purposely change our voices to reflect what ever play and discussion is taking place..

I like going to karaoke - thats when you go to a bar, stand up in front of everyone and pretned to be a singer. the lyrics of the song being played is on a monitor screen and you hold a microphone, read the words and sign along with the music/songs of your favorite singers, as if you are your favorite singers . its a very popular form of lets lets pretend/fake being someone we are not form of entertainment here in america.

every human being whether they are mentally disordered or not can use their imagination and pretend to be anyone and anything they want to be....whether its acting out a situation, a school event, part of the job or even for enjoyment..

As for how do people fake being their alters..(speaking in general not speaking about any one member here) if a person knows enough about thier alters just like if they know about their mother or father, they can pretend /fake being that person...

example...I know that my alter sunny was a very happy alter who was full of joy, my therapist has told me her favorite phrases, colors and such.. so if I wanted to I could pretend to be Sunny at any time I wanted to.

I know my alter Peanut was a very depressed, sad alter, who cried alot and had a sad voice. not because of anything to do with co consciousness but because my therapist and I had many conversations about her, family and friends have told me how I was when I switched into that alter. so I could anytime I want to pretend/fake being that alter. All I would need to do is carry around a peanutbutter sandwhich, and act like I was ready to cry and project a very sad sounding voice..

its just like if someone chose to stand on a stage and pretend to be a comedian, singer, actor...

watch tv and you will see millions of people pretending/faking by acting out the characters in the films/movies/tv shows...example emma watson (pretended/faked being hermione granger in harry potter.) as part of her job she was Hermione Granger, in her private life she was a little girl enjoying pretending to be that character..) in real life she is nothing like the girl she pretended/faked being on the movies.

its completely normal for human beings to pretend/fake being animals and other people that they are not..

but .....for me.... it would not have been right for me to pretend/fake being one of my alters for any reason, because that would have put in question my diagnosis, and all the other things I posted about with my therapist-client relationship I have with my therapist. I dont fake/pretend being my alters for any reason.
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 01:33 PM
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No i can't conciousily switch either. I usually don't answer my phone in therapy but in potential family crisis i would explaining that to T first. Remember we are all at a diffrrent point on our journey with this. Clarity can do it I Think because of co conciousnous but someone correct me if i am wrong?
I didn't switch. My sister alter would not step up. So I pretended to be her. I made my voice sound like my sister alter. I didn't get it right at first and my sister asked what was wrong. I continued to talk until I could hear my voice change and sound like my sister alter. That is why someone here said I was faking it. Because it wasn't my sister alter it was me sounding like my sister alter. My others come and go as they want. I can not make someone come forward if they don't want to. I also can't make them go if they don't want to. I can reason with them but they have to decide what it is they want to do.
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 01:44 PM
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I am curious. How do you know what the alters sound like when their out? I mean how do you know how to change your voice? I know you have coconcisnous so i thought maybe that was how... but then i wondered if alters sound the same inside as when out?

Keep in mind I am NOT saying you are faking it. And I have only one alter that I know about so far with no co conciousnous.. i mean we can't talk to each other but sometimes i can feel her there but i have no clue what she sounds like in or out. I do know some words she uses as my boyfrend has told me. ( she's come out to him and calls snakes snakeys) Anyway ypu might not know how you do it either. But if you do can you describe? It is interesting.
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 02:19 PM
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I am curious. How do you know what the alters sound like when their out? I mean how do you know how to change your voice? I know you have coconcisnous so i thought maybe that was how... but then i wondered if alters sound the same inside as when out?

Keep in mind I am NOT saying you are faking it. And I have only one alter that I know about so far with no co conciousnous.. i mean we can't talk to each other but sometimes i can feel her there but i have no clue what she sounds like in or out. I do know some words she uses as my boyfrend has told me. ( she's come out to him and calls snakes snakeys) Anyway ypu might not know how you do it either. But if you do can you describe? It is interesting.
Because I am co-conscious with most of my alters I can hear them when they are talking. Usually I just feel pushed back and they are up front. I do not hear their voice in my head. I hear their thoughts but there is no discernible voice. But when they speak out loud I can hear the difference. My sister alter doesn't use profanity, doesn't get upset, doesn't get argumentative. She is supportive, and protective of my sister. That doesn't mean they always agree. She just treats my sister the way my sister should be treated, with respect, love and kindness. When I first said hello to my sister she thought something was wrong because I sounded different. So I took my time and as I spoke I listened to my voice. It was like when you sing a song and try to sound like the singer. You listen to how your voice sounds as you are speaking. I knew I had it right by how my sister responded to me. The call lasted two minutes.
Thanks for this!
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 02:24 PM
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Ok i get it! That is kinda cool! Thanks for describing! hope you have a good day!
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 02:43 PM
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Ok i get it! That is kinda cool! Thanks for describing! hope you have a good day!
Thanks Hope you have a good day too.
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Old Mar 11, 2013, 09:58 PM
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Thank you everyone. i was getting confused. The pretending stuff whatever it is for what ever reason suggested to us reading the story and not being there, that there is a lot more control. i am so glad everyone else got it.
Whew!
i am relieved. i thought somehow something else was wrong...or less right. i am sorry your family still suffers. May all of you find a way to get healthy.
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