[Michael W. Harris]

At one time I had all the books on dissociative disorders along with Dr. Arthur Arkin's Book titled, "Sleep talking: Psychology and Psycho-physiology".

So after reading those books and trying to get help since 1992 I have come to believe that there are only two different states of mind in dissociative disorders.

There is the normal conscious mind and there is a hypnotic state. In that hypnotic state you can have more than one personality. If you study hypnosis you know that they can age regress you under hypnosis. Therefore you can be any age that the hypnotist gets you to be. When he wakes you up you will not remember what you said while under hypnosis. Dr. Arthur Arkin calls this automatic amnesia. Dr. Arthur Arkin also says that the personality under hypnosis is not the same as the normal conscious self. It was reading this book that got me mad enough to get into trouble.

How we develop our dissociative system depends not only on our own personality but on the personalities of our family members or other abusers. It depends on which personalities were out during abuse. It depends on the severity of the abuse both physically, emotionally, and psychologically. When one of us is in an alter state, it is in effect like we are under hypnosis. Any serious abuse while we are in that state can create other alters.

how interesting!

any links to this guy so I can read other stuff he says?

[Michael W. Harris]

I am not computer savy enough to have other links. I am a new member so I am just learning how to navigate on this site.

[Luce]

I guess my main problem with this hypothesis is that it assumes there is one 'real' personality and all others are 'alternate' states. I would argue that there isn't one 'real' or 'one original' personality at all. Going back to your analogy of a toddler's mind that was broken before it had the chance to form... there was never one entire personality at all. there was a collection of self states which were all 'normal' but simply never had the chance to integrate.

[elevatedsoul]

i was just thinking...

what is consciousness?
whats it to be subconscious?

whats a neuro connection?
a neuro network?

are we all just consisted of billions of little connections being born and killed off?

is there a soul?

what is a mental state?
is it the same thing as an emotional state?

is there a such thing as a permanent state? a consistent state which defines us as an individual?

if a personality consists of billions of neuro connections, its not so difficult to believe that multiple 'states' could exist in which the brain learns to fire connections to create systems to handle stress and trauma which the mind had never had the chance to form other healthier more consistent ways at which to conform to stress

but that just makes me wonder, what is a soul? and is the soul consistent? and how is it that the soul is so malleable in the physical, is it not consistent in the ethereal?
or is it that we are everything and nothing at the same time, able to adapt to a physical world

i dunno, i wanna do some experiments

Originally Posted by Michael W. Harris

I am not computer savy enough to have other links. I am a new member so I am just learning how to navigate on this site.

I hope you are enjoying the site so far. if you have any questions, feel free to ask

welcome!

[Michael W. Harris]

To Luce: When a toddler, newborn to three, get traumatized seriously enough to go into shock, that state of shock is exactly like a state of hypnosis. This may be due to the fact that the toddler's brain is not developed yet. If the family is as dysfunctional as mine, the they continue to traumatize the toddler throughout the first five years of life. Repeatedly causing the toddler to go into that state of shock. Over time, personalities develop within that state of shock. Once a toddler is traumatized seriously enough to go into shock, any subsequent traumas can easily trigger the child to go back into that state of shock. The subsequent traumas do not have to be severe because the toddler has already been damaged.

I have been thinking about this since 1992. Dissociation, shock and hypnosis are related states of mind. They are also related to REM dream state. If the Feds map the human brain like President Obama has proposed then we will understand these states better.

When a soldier gets shell shocked, his conscious mind is not there while he is in shock. Those people with severe PTSD, were very close to going into shock. I have talked about this with the Vets at the VA.

[finding_my_way]

Originally Posted by Michael W. Harris

To Luce: When a toddler, newborn to three, get traumatized seriously enough to go into shock, that state of shock is exactly like a state of hypnosis. This may be due to the fact that the toddler's brain is not developed yet. If the family is as dysfunctional as mine, the they continue to traumatize the toddler throughout the first five years of life. Repeatedly causing the toddler to go into that state of shock. Over time, personalities develop within that state of shock. Once a toddler is traumatized seriously enough to go into shock, any subsequent traumas can easily trigger the child to go back into that state of shock. The subsequent traumas do not have to be severe because the toddler has already been damaged.

I have been thinking about this since 1992. Dissociation, shock and hypnosis are related states of mind. They are also related to REM dream state. If the Feds map the human brain like President Obama has proposed then we will understand these states better.

When a soldier gets shell shocked, his conscious mind is not there while he is in shock. Those people with severe PTSD, were very close to going into shock. I have talked about this with the Vets at the VA.

yes. that is how dissociation and DID works. if you already have the capacity to dissociate and develop DID, you can end up with further splitting/alter creation from situations that are not as traumatic as what caused the DID and alter creation originally.

anyone who is predisposed to dissociate has the ability to dissociate whether from a trauma or just stress, but not everyone who dissociates and is traumatized develops DID which is also why there is a subtype of PTSD that now includes dissociation because they now recognize that trauma at any age can cause a person's brain to just shut down and dissociate which would include forgetting pieces of the trauma because it was too scary/difficult to stay present for.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by Michael W. Harris

When a toddler, newborn to three, get traumatized seriously enough to go into shock, that state of shock is exactly like a state of hypnosis. This may be due to the fact that the toddler's brain is not developed yet. If the family is as dysfunctional as mine, the they continue to traumatize the toddler throughout the first five years of life. Repeatedly causing the toddler to go into that state of shock. Over time, personalities develop within that state of shock. Once a toddler is traumatized seriously enough to go into shock, any subsequent traumas can easily trigger the child to go back into that state of shock. The subsequent traumas do not have to be severe because the toddler has already been damaged.

I have been thinking about this since 1992. Dissociation, shock and hypnosis are related states of mind. They are also related to REM dream state. If the Feds map the human brain like President Obama has proposed then we will understand these states better.

I understand how dissociation works, but I remain unconvinced about your hypothesis. I am data based - I go by researched and peer reviewed evidence.