New here, polyfragmented, no host

Hi,
We are new to this site and forums.
We have DID, ptsd, anxiety, depression and EDNOS.
we were diagnosed with Did back in the mid to late 1980s, when it was called mpd.
Due to circumstances, we went a long time with extreme denial and shame about DID and only in the last year or so have we started to really accept and deal with it.
We have a excellent therapist whom we trust, though she is not a DID or trauma specialist.
We knew back when were diagnosed that we were polyfragmented and didn’t have a host, with or without our legal name.

We are looking for friendship and support as we continue on our healing journey. And we hope to meet other folks/systems who may have similar experiences. We have not met too many who are polyfragmented and or don’t have a host.

Thank you for listening. Spice for manyinsiders

Hi and welcome. We don't use the word host at all, but we do have several ones who take care of the daily life activities. Our T applies the theory of structural dissociation to help us both understand our system structure and dissociative conflicts. As we work together we are also finding we have a lot of fragment parts that deal with various limited aspects of experience, but not enough that we refer to ourselves as "polyfragmented".
Not everyone on this forum agrees with polyfragmented DID or the theory of structural dissociation, but it can work if you take what works for you. Welcome!

((((manyinsiders)))) I'm sorry you're struggling. I'm glad you have a good therapist though

Welcome manyinsiders. Glad you are no longer in denial and have a good therapist

Welcome, thank you for sharing

Thank you everyone
For the welcome
I would be interested to hear from those
Who don’t agree with poly fragmented DID or the structural dissociation theory as well.
Checkers/manyinsiders

hello welcome.

hope being here helps

welcome

it isnt that we dont agree with this therapy model. its that times have changed and with it definitions, diagnostics, mental disorder labeling.

a brrief rundown on the history of this word poly fragmented...

it began as a "therapy model" that treatment providers used as a way to chart anyones personality. it didnt matter whether someone had DID or not.

Its called a therapy model not a disorder.

example it is like CBT or DBT or IFS,

it is not a type of DID or depression or bipolar or schizophrenia.

but somewhere along the way down history some people who are DID started referring to this .........therapy model.......... as being a kind of DID/MPD rather than a therapy model.

this caused a lot of problems in people because the therapy model prioritizes/ maps/ charts. some people with DID got highly upset. Alters were not being treated like individuals of equal importance, being called things like you are just a fragment, we need to address this ones issues first. you are just a part of that one not a real person, your position in the system is not so important as this suicidal one...wording like fragments ep and anp got thrown around. sorry so and so but this one is just a normal one (anp) ok now you are being too emotional its your Emotional part and bla bla bla....

the result was that this misuse of the therapy model did great harm to people when it was misused as people thinking it was some new type of DID when it wasnt.

now with all the new diagnostics and definitions that went into place back in may 2013 this situation has been solved. there is no such mental disorder called Poly fragmented DID in the whole world now.

the term Poly fragmented has been replaced by a different mental health term now... "less than one" which means the same thing but describes the situaiton more accurately and in a less harmful way...

"less than one" means a person with DID had their whole personality dissociated into many smaller parts. think of it like an apple that has been sliced into 8 different sections. each section is in math terms 1/8th of the whole apple.

and now the mental health community is moving back to where poly fragmented / structural dissociation is what it was meant to be... a therapy model used to help clients heal, just like CBT or DBT or any other therapy model.

your treatment provider can explain more about this in detail and why the world is now required not to use the terms as a mental disorder any more.

thank you for asking for input on the other side of this, here is more info on this if you like ....

looking for diagnostic manuals that contain Poly Fragmented DID

Hi, we are many and are glad you found your way here.

Welcome. Mind if we ask about not having a host? Just don't answer if it's too invasive. We've had times when a host hasn't come forward to be command & control. But when that's happened it has been pure chaos. Nothing is taken care of from simply eating or laundry or appointments...nothing. The term polyunsaturated is not used here in the USA.
Would you mind explaining more?

Polyunsaturated? Lol

Sounds a little fatty to me.

Hi,
My name is Juniper.
I’m not sure I can answer...I’m not often awake or around or whatever. But I’m here now. I think all of us experience a fair amount of confusion and chaos. I think there are a number of internal managers who help with things like keeping appointments, eating, dressing, keeping track of money. But there are often glitches as far as I can tell. It’s a day to day effort.
I believe that’s perhaps why Spice had posted here?
I know there are places for journaling, notes are left, alarms set to remind, posters on the walls.
Sincerely, Juniper

I'm poly welcome to the site it is very helpful

I don't like the term polyfragmented, I don't have a host per say. I don't have the original. We have some who are good in the world, such as work, driving, and dealing with people. And we have others who keep us save and talk to the different groups so we aren't constantly surprised by stuff. I don't think I am polyfragmented. I just don't have our original self as a part. Writing this is causing me to feel fear and anxiety. We don't talk about us.

Sorry this caused you anxiety.
I understand it’s hard to talk about.
Best wishes and a safe hug only if you want.
b.