[Bobki52]

First of all I am new to this forum, so I'm feeling my way.

I am scheduled to go to court against my sister, who I believe is a covert narcissist. My attorney doesn't seem particularly interested in pursuing this avenue disorder. In fact, I don't think he believes me.

But the real problem is that I cannot find a psychiatrist who is interested in reviewing the information I have compiled about my sister to determine if I am right about her. I would like to be able to have a psychiatrist tell the court that there is enough evidence to justify a psychological evaluation.

I am apparently doing something wrong because I have reached out to a couple of local psychiatrists and i haven't heard back from them. I thought this was the type of thing that forensic psychiatrists did. Does anybody have any experience or advice?

Regards,

Bob

[eskielover]

Why do you need a psychiatric eval of your sister & what are you taking her to court for?

Why don't you just choose to distance yourself from her & just have nothing to do with her?

That is what I would do if someone like that was in my life. Besides if she doesn't want a psych eval you would have to go to court with proof that she cannot take care of herself & it would require a judge to order a psych eval. Psychistrists can't "just do it".

Not sure what you are actually trying to accomplish through the court?

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Bobki52

First of all I am new to this forum, so I'm feeling my way.

I am scheduled to go to court against my sister, who I believe is a covert narcissist. My attorney doesn't seem particularly interested in pursuing this avenue disorder. In fact, I don't think he believes me.

But the real problem is that I cannot find a psychiatrist who is interested in reviewing the information I have compiled about my sister to determine if I am right about her. I would like to be able to have a psychiatrist tell the court that there is enough evidence to justify a psychological evaluation.

I am apparently doing something wrong because I have reached out to a couple of local psychiatrists and i haven't heard back from them. I thought this was the type of thing that forensic psychiatrists did. Does anybody have any experience or advice?

Regards,

Bob

Im confused why are you trying to get your lawyer to present your information about your sisters mental disorder...

is this court case against your sister..... if so then the court will be the one to order a psych eval to find out what mental disorders she may have, this will be done as part of her own lawyers and her defense of what reason why the court case is against her.

on the other side of the coin is this court case against you where charges were made against you.... if so you and your lawyers part is to have a psych eval done on .........you....... in defense of you.

also here in america we have privacy laws, psychiatrists can not take or use any information that you give them. just like if you had a psychiatrist for your own mental problems your sister would not be able to present anything to your psychiatrist to say you have this or that mental disorder. most times psychiatrists in america cant even admit to family who they are treating as long as the person is over 18.

if your sister is younger than 18 then the person the psychiatrists have to talk to is your sisters parents.

the only way they can talk with you about your sister is if you are your sisters guardian because your parents are dead and she is a child. or if you already have been appointed her guardian in a different court case.

psychiatrists at random do not just go around talking to family members and accepting whether that sister or brother has a mental disorder.

if the court wants or needs to know whether your sister has a mental problem they will have her see a court approved psychiatrist who will then report to the court what your sisters problems are just like if the court wants to know what your mental problems they will order you to see a psychiatrist and that psychiatrist will report to the court what your problems are.

just how the court system in america works to protect everyones rights and privacy.

[Bobki52]

I'm not taking her to court. She's taking me to court. She filed a Petition against me to have me removed as my mother's Trustee. It's a control thing. And I wish I could just distance myself from her, but she lives next door to Mom and Dad. If I want to see them, I have to deal with her.

My reason for wanting a psychiatrist to review the information I have compiled is to find out if I might be right about my sister's disorder or if I am off on a wild goose chase. If I am right, then her disorder will explain her behavior and call into question her motives (which are all self-serving) and her honesty (which is almost nonexistent).

I don't know if that helps explain the situation or not. But, for what it's worth, I was able to find a forensic psychiatrist who was willing to review the information and render an unofficial verbal opinion. And that's all I am looking for right now; a reality check.

[eskielover]

It's for yourself because unless the judge orders the psych eval it will not be any part of the hearing. The judge basically looks at any proof that you are being incompetent in looking out after your parents best interest as the Trustee or whether they were manipulated into picking you as the Trustee. If the judge doesn't see proof of the claims your sister is making & that there is no actual proof that change needs to be made, a psych eval has no point in the process.

If the hearing goes against you then ask the judge for a psych eval & appeal.....but if it actually is just her questionable self serving motives, judges are trained to see through that kind of crap.

An unofficial verbal opinion is really a waste of money since it is really irrelivant to the outcome of the case & if it does become relivant then the judge will require it & it will be formal & she will have to pay for it as part of her court costs.

Why she does something is not important....what she & you are DOING is what court looks at. The judge looks at FACTS not at personalities.

[MickeyCheeky]

Hope the situation will end well for you. I agree that I don't see much of a point in diagnosing your sister... but good luck

[healingme4me]

If calling into question motives, perhaps where courts of law are concerned, psychology isn't the end all and be all to this? I would imagine it's a money grab on her part? And wouldn't the courts view it as such?
What does your attorney think about this? Your mom must have trusted you at some point in her estate matters?

[TishaBuv]

If you stick to the evident facts you can still prove if she is seeking control for personal gain or is lying. You don’t have to bring a diagnosis of NPD into it, even if it were possible, which I doubt it is. Besides, a diagnosis of NPD does not prove what you are trying to imply. Only the facts, ma’am. Best of luck to you.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Bobki52

I'm not taking her to court. She's taking me to court. She filed a Petition against me to have me removed as my mother's Trustee. It's a control thing. And I wish I could just distance myself from her, but she lives next door to Mom and Dad. If I want to see them, I have to deal with her.

My reason for wanting a psychiatrist to review the information I have compiled is to find out if I might be right about my sister's disorder or if I am off on a wild goose chase. If I am right, then her disorder will explain her behavior and call into question her motives (which are all self-serving) and her honesty (which is almost nonexistent).

I don't know if that helps explain the situation or not. But, for what it's worth, I was able to find a forensic psychiatrist who was willing to review the information and render an unofficial verbal opinion. And that's all I am looking for right now; a reality check.

since she is trying to get you removed as your mothers trustee ...

she needs to prove to the court....

1. how ........you.......... did not follow the trustee agreement,
2. how.........you..........mis managed and neglected the trust fund / money and assets by spending the money on you and your own needs, by not paying your mothers bills on time and in full.
3. whether ..............you.............did not pay the beneficiaries their allowances on time....
4. whether you are abusing your mother and doing damage to your mothers home and assets...
5 whether ..........you........... are too mentally ill/ mentally unstable to manage the trust fund.

in other words the court case against her and whether she has mental disorders. its on whether .............you ..............have done something wrong with the trust funds.

..................if................. the court finds that ............you .........did mis manage the trust fund, or did harm to your mother and your mothers assets.........

then and only then will the court have your sister and any other next of kin to your mother go through the process of whether they can manage the trust fund with out using the money for their own needs and wants, will pay your mothers bills for her and take care of your mothers assets.

if its just you and your sister and the court decides both you and your sister are not capable of managing the trust fund then the court will choose a bank and lawyer to represent your mother that has no relationship to either your sister or you. then the impartial bank and impartial lawyer will be the one to take care of your mothers money / assets and bills.

if the court decides you did not mis use the trust fund, do harm to your mother and your mothers assets you will remain as trustee, taking care of your mothers money and assets and bills.

[seesaw]

Yeah, just a note, neither a psychiatrist nor a psychologist will diagnosis someone who is not their patient. Even forensic psychiatrists/psychologists interview the person in question.

Since she is taking you to court, I would think the only thing you have to prove is that you are acting in accordance with your mother's wishes and with her best interest. Your attorney is probably not interested in pursuing that avenue because it has no bearing on the case.

Are you seeing a therapist? It might help you deal with all of this for your own benefit.

Seesaw

[downandlonely]

I agree that there is no point in getting your sister diagnosed. But yeah, seeing a therapist for yourself might be a good idea.