[Sunset-L]

I feel I should get this off my chest. I was watching truetv last night about a 69yr old man being murdered by a young black man just for the fun of it. The victims family was so devastated by the old man's murder. The killer was caught and brought to justice. After the killer was sentenced, outside the courtroom the killer's mother shouts

The man was 69yrs old, did you think he's going to live forever!

and others of the killers family starts laughing on top of it. The victims family got so furious that one of them starts strangling her. I don't blame one of them, I would have done the same thing. IMO that loud mouth should have been placed under arrest for her pathetic remark along with those idiot laughing hyenas. How would the killers mother feel if it was the other way around. First of all it was wrong for her son to kill that old man regardless and 2nd shooting off her big mouth especially in the courthouse will only make things worse..

I just like to say to every1 please do not use the polls right now b/c there are errors that I made that needs correcting.

Thank you.

[wottesworthgurl]

They were both wrong in my opinion

[AkAngel]

I can understand your outrage; what an insensitive and mean-spirited thing to say.

While it was inappropriate beyond measure, people rarely consider that the guilty parties family and loved ones are suffering as well. In both cases someone is losing a loved one - one to death and the other to prison. The mother's expression of her feelings, while inappropriate, probably are reflective of poor impulse control and parenting skills that no doubt played a part in this tragedy.

Too, it is unlikely that the killer's family was insulated from hurtful remarks from the press, courtroom and even the victims family. That certainly doesn't make it right by any means, but it may have contributed to the situation. The families of those accused and/or found guilty are often treated as guilty themselves.

[Sunset-L]

Originally Posted by wottesworthgurl

They were both wrong in my opinion

You have a point and I do agree but it was the killers mother who started it and she was mostly wrong..

[AkAngel]

Incidentally, did the show say how tall the killer was?

[Sunset-L]

Originally Posted by AkAngel

Incidentally, did the show say how tall the killer was?

What difference does it make anyway? The man is a killer and he should pay regardless.. And the mother's an idiot IMO, Yeah it was wrong for the victims daughter to attact her, this wouldn't have happened if the mother hasn't make that idiotic remark, it shows she's so vile, cold & careless not to mention brainless..

[AkAngel]

I was watching truetv last night about a 69yr old man being murdered by a young black man ...

Originally Posted by AkAngel

Incidentally, did the show say how tall the killer was?

Originally Posted by Sunset-L

What difference does it make anyway?

My point exactly. I can't really figure out how the killers race is any more important than his height.

A very tragic situation. The question for me is why these incidents happen and what may be done about it. Off topic.

[Sunset-L]

Originally Posted by AkAngel

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My point exactly. I can't really figure out how the killers race is any more important than his height.

I was just adding his discription I didn't mean it as a racism.. The killer deserves to be sentenced just as well if the victim was also black. Regardless of color or race people should not commit serious crimes or make stupid remarks..

[perpetuallysad]

Oh my god, Akangel, I was about to ask the exact same thing. Why does it matter that he was black?

[AtreyuFreak]

I do think the mother's remark sheds light on why the killer may have done what he did. If the killer grew up listening to his mother rationalize her own (and possibly her childrens) actions, the killer probably learned that he didn't have to take responsibility for his actions.

NOT RATIONALIZING ANYTHING!!!!! Simply looking at this through a possible psychological viewpoint. And this is just me speculating. I only know of this story what has been posted here.

[AkAngel]

TRIGGER WARNING

I am ONLY posting this because it speaks to AtreyuFreak's point and there is such a thing as a trigger icon. I wrote this essay years ago in response to a district attorneys demand that criminals need to put themselves in their victims shoes and consider what a victim feels like. This is only another perspective, not the only one. It does not seek to exonerate criminals or not hold them responsible for their action...

Originally Posted by AtreyuFreak

I do think the mother's remark sheds light on why the killer may have done what he did. If the killer grew up listening to his mother rationalize her own (and possibly her childrens) actions, the killer probably learned that he didn't have to take responsibility for his actions.

NOT RATIONALIZING ANYTHING!!!!! Simply looking at this through a possible psychological viewpoint. And this is just me speculating. I only know of this story what has been posted here.

My wife was fifteen years old when she was incarcerated for murder. On July 2nd she passed her twenty-second year behind bars. While it may not be true for every class of criminal, I'm would posit that every violent criminal and every juvenile offender does in fact know what a victim feels like.

Further, I would suggest that each and every single one of these men, women and children have been the victims of more unprosecuted crimes than they have perpetrated. I can't prove that and it is certainly anecdotal; yet my experience has borne this out without exception.

Born into heroin withdrawal and continuously pricked with the needle to get her high enough to shut up so she didn't screw up moms high was the beginning. Had her mother been held accountable for her actions intially, my wife would have been taken away and given a chance. Every single day of her life, unspeakable and horrific crimes were committed against my wife. Society failed her.

Every. Single. Day.

She knows what victims feel like.

She knows what having drugs forced into her system feels like. She knows what being beaten unconscious feels like. She knows what feeling her bones break and what feeling stabbed with her own broken shards feels like. She knows what being raped feels like. She knows what being sold into slavery feels like.

Eventually, still a child, she learned what killing someone felt like.

Society was there this time to right wrongs.

My wife was wrong. Her victim didn't deserve to die. You, and even I, will never know how much she has suffered with that knowledge. She is serving life and she has never make any excuses for what she has done. She never blamed any one of the hundreds of people who directly committed crimes to which she was victim. She never blamed society for not rescuing her, for not righting those wrongs. She's only blamed herself.

Every. Single. Day.

If you take anything away from this, take this:

These people know how victims feel.

[Sunset-L]

I don't think it's right for anybody to shout such hideous remarks no matter how upset they are, and that woman should be punished for it! That comment should have had her locked up and be slapped with a hefty fine. IMO that type of comment is an act of criminal behavior.. There's a saying about "freedom of speech". Well sometimes a certain speech can get a person into serious of trouble..

[RedCylon]

I saw the same clip, and was disgusted. Shows that the mother has absolutely no respect for life in general or for other people.

And yes, no wonder that kid grew up to murder a 69 year old man. If he was raised with the lack of sense that woman has, he also has no respect for life or anyone but himself.

I've always thought that the two families on different side of the case should be separated at all times. They should enter and exit the courtroom through different doors and at different times.

[Skully]

I can't believe she said that. She should go to jail for that!