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Old Nov 11, 2012, 03:41 PM
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Of course there are some conflicts with federal laws so its likely to be a while before prohibition actually ends if it does. But yeah didn't see a thread about it and figured it was news worthy. We already have had medical marijuana legal but its now recreational use that was voted to be made legalized.

In your opinions should the feds back off when it comes to states passing their own marijuana/drug laws or should they trample such things down thus more or less trampling states rights.

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Old Nov 11, 2012, 04:37 PM
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Of course this is a controversial issue on many fronts. We have to admit to ourselves that the so called "war on drugs" has failed miserably. Billions of dollars have been spent on law enforcement, prisons, prosecutors etc... only to have made no real progress with reducing its use. The net cost of criminality of these substances has been far greater than taking a controled approach, of regulation, taxation, and money directed toward rehab rather than locking up every user.

I know a lot of people disagree with my supposition, but I suggest before knee jerking here, do the research, the history is clear, prohibition as a startegy causes more problems than it actually solves.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 05:45 PM
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I've said for years that the feds ought to legalize "drugs" and tax them like everything else. The "war on drugs" is a monstorus failure. We could stop wasting money on something that's not working.

note of self-disclosure - I don't use any sort of street drug so it's not my personal preference for drugs speaking. The laws against street drugs are not working. Let's try something else.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 07:25 PM
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Of course this is a controversial issue on many fronts. We have to admit to ourselves that the so called "war on drugs" has failed miserably. Billions of dollars have been spent on law enforcement, prisons, prosecutors etc... only to have made no real progress with reducing its use. The net cost of criminality of these substances has been far greater than taking a controled approach, of regulation, taxation, and money directed toward rehab rather than locking up every user.

I know a lot of people disagree with my supposition, but I suggest before knee jerking here, do the research, the history is clear, prohibition as a startegy causes more problems than it actually solves.

Not to mention a large majority of cannabis users are not 'violent' criminals...they just like to smoke a bit of weed because they like how it feels. Then there are theories of how getting marijuana is contributing to terrible violence in third world countries........and I can't speak for everyone but most I've gotten has been grown in my state or nearby states not in some third world south american country.

And yes I think prohibition in general tends to cause more problems than it solves. Its like a vaccum that sucks up money and resources and only contributes to more 'criminal' activity.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 07:27 PM
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I've said for years that the feds ought to legalize "drugs" and tax them like everything else. The "war on drugs" is a monstorus failure. We could stop wasting money on something that's not working.

note of self-disclosure - I don't use any sort of street drug so it's not my personal preference for drugs speaking. The laws against street drugs are not working. Let's try something else.
And this is something we need more of....its not about whether you like to smoke pot or not, its about prohibition failing and so the logical choice being trying other approaches. One certainly does not have to use cannabis to think that......also the issue of states rights might come up depending on how things play out.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 07:30 PM
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Here, here.....I just noticed my thread has been moved to general discussion. Don't want to stir any pots or anything but uhh this is a current events and news discussion. The election just happened, this just passed.

So I have to question this as I thought it to be a valid current events and news discussion since it is a current event and news considering its a legal/political issue. Just saying.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 07:37 PM
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I'm not a pot smoker but I've always thought it should be legalized, it could bring in a lot of extra money and employ more people in areas where it's legalized, and like Hellion said its users aren't normally associated with violent crime.

Whenever I hear "legalize marijuana" I always think of this though xD
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 07:43 PM
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I'm not a pot smoker but I've always thought it should be legalized, it could bring in a lot of extra money and employ more people in areas where it's legalized, and like Hellion said its users aren't normally associated with violent crime.

Whenever I hear "legalize marijuana" I always think of this though xD
http://www.lolbrary.com/content/992/...uana-15992.jpg
I think of something similar when I think of alcohol being legal except the alcohol drinking equivalent...rather than that pot smoker that gets a little carried away.

Don't get me wrong I drink myself and I will be first in line if they start making cannabis infused pale ales (crap no drooling smiley which would be here instead of this had I found it).
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
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It was legalized in Washington State as well and they intend to start selling it through regulated means within the next month, until they are challenged by the feds not to. Unlike Colorado, Washington's governor is in favor of the measure.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 09:14 PM
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Yeah it sucks when even our governer does not approve, I give him props for defending it though even though it was against his personal beliefs....at least he respects what the voters have said.

But yeah there is all kinds of economic improvement that could occur with the legalization so I don't see why the feds are so opposed to it. Also what is to say the feds arent involved here after all it was moved from political/news discussion to general discussion. I wont lie that really did piss me off since this is becoming a national issue and they want to throw it in general discussion when its about states rights, and current events.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 09:32 PM
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ha ha ha, this is so funny gonna go for a while.......I guess states rights are general social discussion huh? sorry its pissed me off so much but even our own govener made some crappy generalized statements towards us who wanted that amendment to pass. And then I get moved from political and news discussion to general social chat. Yeah I am pissed don't want to get banned though so I will give it a while first.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 10:33 PM
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so its pissed me off more that there i no even expination one someone decides to move my thread. Its just more of the most people don't like ending prohibition so its a general topic right. Well yeah I am in a foul mood about it being moved. This is states right issue people...not some general social chat like where it was moved to.

Go ahead delete my account, bar me from having support here all because I support a law that was passed in my state. Its all BS right, I must just be a stupid stereotypical smoker. Even though I am in the U.S and states are still trying to pass marijuana laws. Does it offend that I used the word marijuana or is it that i should not promote such madness. Would like to know but it appears I can get no sort of response or prescriptive as to why my thread was moved.

It is states and citizens rights, so how its not political and current event's I don't get unless I have actually done wrong.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 10:36 PM
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Alright time to just say it...this amendment 64 passing is a current event, the goverener does not even approve but still is willing to defend it against the feds.

So since this has already beem moved anyways I encourage people to stand up for their states rights and fight against federal interventions. Whether it gets moved to general discussion or whatever. Point is people should stand up for their rights.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 10:43 PM
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Yeah it is still a political current events discussion regardless of you *******holes. dont want to get banned but if talking about my states rights is grounds to move my posts to other less legitimate places or ban it all together I feel I can find more helpful sites.

I apologize to anyone who has grown attatched to me but I will not stand for this regardless of being banned or otherwise disiplaned.
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 11:32 PM
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This is about state rights *******it. yeah still pissed about it being moved...dont want to get banned but that really got to me.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 09:40 AM
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I am curious as to why this thread got moved as well? I would think this was news discussion? Wasn't going to post, but then I liked your Britney Spears implants post so I thought I should at least agree with being baffled...
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 10:23 AM
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I read a response explaining that political posts need a link to be accepted on that forum... My apologies if you did supply a link, my phone doesnt always display them.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 10:23 AM
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I don't think it should have been moved either.

Did it pass in all four states that had it on the ballot? I agree that it is time to legalize it because it is a huge waste of money and manpower for a drug that I consider less troublesome than alcohol.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 01:21 PM
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You have to provide a link to a news story to post on the current events forum. That rule is stated pretty clearly at the top of the forum:

This forum is for the discussion of current news items such as you find on the nightly news, in newspapers, on Psych Central's news or professional blogs, on CNN, etc. only. Do not post only headlines, URLs and summaries here -- you need to express an opinion or reason for posting the link too. Each item you post here should have a link URL and an opinion accompanying it.

Hellion, don't take it personally that it was moved. That is just the rule for that forum.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 03:29 PM
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In all honesty I can't figure out why this is such a controversial issue. I can't even remember the last time I smoked. However tax it and make it legal. ?? To me it's the same as the rudiculouse drinking age of 21 in th USA. A man/woman can vote and go to war but can't have a beer. ??
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 03:38 PM
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Sorry off topic.. Guess the point is it's difficult to understand many things.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 03:44 PM
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ere are some conflicts with federal laws so its likely to be a while before prohibition actually ends if it does. But yeah didn't see a thread about it and figured it was news worthy. We already have had medical marijuana legal but its now recreational use that was voted to be made legalized.

In your opinions should the feds back off when it comes to states passing their own marijuana/drug laws or should they trample such things down thus more or less trampling states rights.
i don't use pot but i voted to legalize it. the money is supposed to go to schools.
you will have to be 21 to purchase it. so far the federal government has stayed out of it as we already have medicinal marijuana legal. at first i didn't know what all tjose grren crosses were . i thought we had.a bunch of new urgent clinics. ha ha.
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Old Nov 12, 2012, 08:52 PM
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I don't think it should have been moved either.

Did it pass in all four states that had it on the ballot? I agree that it is time to legalize it because it is a huge waste of money and manpower for a drug that I consider less troublesome than alcohol.
I didn't pass in Oregon, but most believe that it was placed on the ballot too late for them to advertise or promote it properly and that a lot of people didn't know it was there.
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