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Old Feb 17, 2018, 09:46 AM
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Within the physical and mathematical definition of reality, how much of what can be known of the natural world (excluding what we can make or do) is already known? Would it be reasonable to say 5%, or is that too low, do you think?
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 09:55 AM
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Within the physical and mathematical definition of reality, how much of what can be known of the natural world (excluding what we can make or do) is already known? Would it be reasonable to say 5%, or is that too low, do you think?
I think I messed up and want to modify a bit... what I'm really wondering about are LAWS and physical realities we're not aware of. So my 5% guess is really relating to within OUR universe alone. I wasn't really thinking of the trillions of planets and black holes we don't know about. It's hard to pose the question correctly. But anyway, other planets and universes or no, I'd be really interested to hear any thoughts.
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Old Feb 17, 2018, 10:03 AM
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Within the physical and mathematical definition of reality, how much of what can be known of the natural world (excluding what we can make or do) is already known? Would it be reasonable to say 5%, or is that too low, do you think?
I don't think you can answer that because the unfoldment of the universe is eternally ongoing. But for those who don't believe that and think this is it period 5% might be a good guess.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 11:38 AM
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I don't think you can answer that because the unfoldment of the universe is eternally ongoing. But for those who don't believe that and think this is it period 5% might be a good guess.
Thank you!! I love this answer because, if nothing else, I can consider the unfoldment of the universe with my next cup of coffee. And there's also the fact that I simply like the sound of this phrase!! ...unfoldment of the universe... I'm saying it slowly in my head right now, and my head likes it.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 07:34 PM
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Coffee based musings on the universe...

My coffee had a spiral galaxy in it this afternoon.....trippy to contemplate....
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 08:24 PM
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Classical Mechanics (CM) was thought to be near the end of completion until scientists started doing ultra low temperature experiments and also looking into the microscopic world, and then their equations just failed miserably. I read that CM had a life of about 150 years before QM hit the scene, and that QM is about 150 years old now. I can tell you there's a lot of noise in mainstream about Simulation theory, which is what I believe in. So if Simulation theory is true, then all of what we know is not even real. It's a simulation.

If by chance you're talking about how much of the Universe we're aware of, then the answer is practically none. The observable universe is about 93 billion lightyears in diameter. Mainstream does not know the size of the entire universe, but so far the best guesstimate puts it at about 3*10^23 times the diameter of the observable universe. Other guesstimate put it at 10^10^10^122, a number so large that no computer I'm aware of can actually print it without the multiple ^.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 08:53 PM
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If you told me that before the Big Bang there was nothing but grape marmalade, it would make just as much sense as any other theory of pre creation conditions.
Quantum mechanic theories are so “out there” that I do not even bother assimilating them into my reality, they have a high likelihood to be replaced with a new theory in light of new data using new technology.
I’d say we know diddly squat.
But we sure love to speculate.
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Old Feb 18, 2018, 10:31 PM
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There are probably 100 different species of undiscovered critters living in Donald Trump's hair.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 04:47 AM
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There are probably 100 different species of undiscovered critters living in Donald Trump's hair.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 07:21 AM
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Hi. I'm not a mathematician so I can't answer your question from that angle, but as for trying to answer it from the physical angle, I've read some books and watched some videos on YouTube [heh], and well, we don't actually live in a physical universe wordshaker, it's mostly empty, everything, even us, our bodies, are mostly fresh air, nothingness. It's an illusion! Because within each individual atom, the spaces between particles are so massive that it is said - if you removed all that space between the atomic particles of every atom in the conceivable universe, you'd be left with about one square hectare of matter in the universe. One square hectare of matter in the entire universe. That's how non-physical the universe really is. It's all consciousness - the foundation of the universe isn't matter it's consciousness. That's where science needs to go next - into the study of consciousness.

I think we know less than a fraction of a percent of what's really going on in the universe wordshaker. It's fricken amazing.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 08:10 AM
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Wow, thanks for the mind bending and hilarity. I will look for the spiral in my next cup... while I hit google and speculate!!
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 08:16 AM
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Wow, thanks for the mind bending and hilarity. I will look for the spiral in my next cup... while I hit google and speculate!!
Uh, what part did you find hilarious wordshaker?
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 08:20 AM
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Coffee spirals, marmalade and Donald Trump's hair... you never know where things will go! I had fun reading.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 08:22 AM
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Coffee spirals, marmalade and Donald Trump's hair... you never know where things will go! I had fun reading.


Oh right, hah. Gotcha.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 08:43 AM
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Because within each individual atom, the spaces between particles are so massive that it is said - if you removed all that space between the atomic particles of every atom in the conceivable universe, you'd be left with about one square hectare of matter in the universe. ... That's how non-physical the universe really is. It's all consciousness - the foundation of the universe isn't matter it's consciousness. That's where science needs to go next - into the study of consciousness.

I think we know less than a fraction of a percent of what's really going on in the universe wordshaker. It's fricken amazing.
Thanks Mote of Soul, I think the idea of the space within an atom is fascinating. What is it considered to be? Is it dark matter?? I'll have to look. I like what you say about consciousness - because that is kind of what I was getting at. I think that there are physical (?) mathematical layers of reality we don't understand. Consciousness is one of them. The idea of collective unconsciousness is connected to my thinking.

Unrelated, but came up yesterday, is our ability to detect gaze upon us, it's a primitive survival ability we have. But how do we detect it?

Thanks again - sorry if I was coming off the jokester, I wasn't very awake yet. I'm actually quite interested!
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 08:56 AM
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Classical Mechanics (CM) was thought to be near the end of completion until scientists started doing ultra low temperature experiments and also looking into the microscopic world, and then their equations just failed miserably. I read that CM had a life of about 150 years before QM hit the scene, and that QM is about 150 years old now. I can tell you there's a lot of noise in mainstream about Simulation theory, which is what I believe in. So if Simulation theory is true, then all of what we know is not even real. It's a simulation. If by chance you're talking about how much of the Universe we're aware of, then the answer is practically none. The observable universe is about 93 billion lightyears in diameter. Mainstream does not know the size of the entire universe, but so far the best guesstimate puts it at about 3*10^23 times the diameter of the observable universe. Other guesstimate put it at 10^10^10^122, a number so large that no computer I'm aware of can actually print it without the multiple ^.
Thanks for the information about BIG things! I have a personal spiritual belief in which none of what we observe is real - or is less real than a larger reality that exists more in terms of consciousness, connection and love. Same as math and art meet, maybe religion and science meet also. I am interested in those areas of overlap. My brain is getting older, and has suffered some abuses, so it can be hard to wrap my thinking capacity around some of what people say here. But still I continue to wonder and enjoy thinking about it. Thanks for offering your thoughts. I'm going to look up simulation theory... as soon as I give kids breakfast. I really liked the PBS program on string theory - so I'm excited to learn about something new.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 07:41 PM
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When people speak of the universe they are like Carl Sagan or Neal deGrasse Tyson. In that view all that exists is this physical state where things can be measured weighed-Quantum mechanics is maybe different I don't know. In reality the universe is composed of an infinite number of dimensions each one as solid as this one-when you're in one of them. Many of these are what they call consensus realities. That means that world is populated by persons of like mind. Nothing is permanent in any of these. So when you die you'll find yourself in the company of old friends doing what you and they did in earthly life. There are a few adepts at projection of consciousness around nowdays. They have books out and are on YouTube.

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Old Feb 19, 2018, 11:12 PM
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MORE MINDBENDING FUN!!!

Coffee based musings on the universe...

Yyyyeeesssss, those are entire solar systems whizzing by you. Wrap your head around that one.

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Old Feb 24, 2018, 07:44 AM
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MORE MINDBENDING FUN!!!

Coffee based musings on the universe...

Yyyyeeesssss, those are entire solar systems whizzing by you. Wrap your head around that one.

Look more like galaxies to me, but then again, what do I know? I'm not exactly an astrophysicist.
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Old Feb 24, 2018, 09:41 AM
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MORE MINDBENDING FUN!!!

Coffee based musings on the universe...

Yyyyeeesssss, those are entire solar systems whizzing by you. Wrap your head around that one.

Galaxies actually
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Old Feb 24, 2018, 10:00 PM
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Yessss, yes, yes, yes, you're right! Thank you.

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