[kreg]

Was John Nash a narcissist? He was the brilliant mathematician who developed
schizophrenia-movie starring Russell Crowe.

[Travelinglady]

I saw the movie, but I haven't read enough about him to draw a conclusion. Do you think he was?

[kreg]

Originally Posted by Travelinglady

I saw the movie, but I haven't read enough about him to draw a conclusion. Do you think he was?

He sure fits the official description but I don't know if you can lock somebody into a definition. There are degrees. For practical purposes of treatment I guess you can. Even he said at one point he thought he was the most important person in the world.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by kreg

He sure fits the official description but I don't know if you can lock somebody into a definition. There are degrees. For practical purposes of treatment I guess you can. Even he said at one point he thought he was the most important person in the world.

I’m pretty sure that was a delusion of grandeur which is part of some psychosis, he seemed very nice to me.

[TishaBuv]

I recall the movie. He seemed like a driven genius who was doing ground breaking important work, but lost touch with reality. I’m not sure what diagnosis he had.

[WishfulThinker66]

I certainly hope we are not basing our conclusions and opinions on a movie.

But I do have a point to question. Is narccicism part and parcel of delusions of grandeur? I rather think they are the same thing.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by WishfulThinker66

I certainly hope we are not basing our conclusions and opinions on a movie.

But I do have a point to question. Is narccicism part and parcel of delusions of grandeur? I rather think they are the same thing.

I’ve seen a number of documentaries and videos about Nash, the movie well had a bit or artistic license.

I don’t think they are remotely the same otherwise we would be prescribing antipsychotics to narcissists and it would go away.

[WishfulThinker66]

Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic

I’ve seen a number of documentaries and videos about Nash, the movie well had a bit or artistic license.

I don’t think they are remotely the same otherwise we would be prescribing antipsychotics to narcissists and it would go away.

Thanks for pointing out your context. I have a better perspective of the question.

As for the delusions of grandeur bit, you have a point I had not thought of. However, a hallmark or narcissism is in my understanding a delusion of grandeur. How else would you explain their behaviours then? I might be wrong here, but doesn't narcissism fall under the larger umbrella of personality disorders? I don't know for sure, but I have the idea that personality disorders are in fact treated with medications. Could it be then that all those narcissists you refer to are not in treatment because, well, they think themselves too high and mighty to have a problem? How many narcissists are self-aware enough to realise their behaviour is a problem. How many narcissists would accept the fact they have one and allow themselves then to be treated?

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by WishfulThinker66

Thanks for pointing out your context. I have a better perspective of the question.

As for the delusions of grandeur bit, you have a point I had not thought of. However, a hallmark or narcissism is in my understanding a delusion of grandeur. How else would you explain their behaviours then? I might be wrong here, but doesn't narcissism fall under the larger umbrella of personality disorders? I don't know for sure, but I have the idea that personality disorders are in fact treated with medications. Could it be then that all those narcissists you refer to are not in treatment because, well, they think themselves too high and mighty to have a problem? How many narcissists are self-aware enough to realise their behaviour is a problem. How many narcissists would accept the fact they have one and allow themselves then to be treated?

Well the other side is that narcissistics aren’t really delusional imo. They may have overblown self ideals but it’s not the same thing as believing for example that a celebrity is in love with you or you’re going to save the planet from an alien race. Delusions have just a little more oomph.

[WishfulThinker66]

Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic

Well the other side is that narcissistics aren’t really delusional imo. They may have overblown self ideals but it’s not the same thing as believing for example that a celebrity is in love with you or you’re going to save the planet from an alien race. Delusions have just a little more oomph.

Forgive me if I am wrong but my understanding is that a delusion of grandeur is the false belief in superior omnipotent qualities. This would also be a fitting description of a narcissist. I think the thought that a celebrity is in love with oneself is just a regular delusion.