can't believe their's not a thread about this, so here it is (quite late)

but discuss it here

[Ohseedee]

Happy International Women's Day!

At the organization I am on placement at for college, we did a few things for the occasion. We crafted vulvas made of felt, baked a cake with the Wonder Woman symbol on it, and played the Vagina Monologues.

[eskielover]

Originally Posted by Ohseedee

Happy International Women's Day!

At the organization I am on placement at for college, we did a few things for the occasion. We crafted vulvas made of felt, baked a cake with the Wonder Woman symbol on it, and played the Vagina Monologues.

Wow....& that HONORS women? I as a woman sure don't feel honored by those things.

I was a computer design engineer before women really got much into the field. I assure you that had NOTHING to do with vulvas or being wonder woman. It had EVERYTHING to do with working hard to achieve the goals I sat for myself just like everyone else I worked with did.

Honestly as a woman I feel this is a very demeaning way to depict honor to women.

[divine1966]

International women’s day is actually about women’s rights, starting with universal suffrage (actual day is actually day of suffrage in Russia in 1917). I’d say it’s about focusing on women being way more than just their vulvas and vaginas. I celebrate women’s day remembering women (including in my family) who thrived for careers when it wasn’t widely accepted or encouraged and fought for women’s rights. Nothing against vaginas of course lol

[Ohseedee]

Originally Posted by eskielover

Wow....& that HONORS women? I as a woman sure don't feel honored by those things.

I was a computer design engineer before women really got much into the field. I assure you that had NOTHING to do with vulvas or being wonder woman. It had EVERYTHING to do with working hard to achieve the goals I sat for myself just like everyone else I worked with did.

Honestly as a woman I feel this is a very demeaning way to depict honor to women.

Hi there! I did not do the planning for these events as I am just a placement student working on a different project (database stuff). I think the idea behind the craft aspect was that vulvas are not something to be ashamed of. As for the Wonder Woman cake, I think the idea was that women are powerful and can do anything they set their mind to.

This is not specifically a women's organization so that is not their focus. They would not have the time or resources to dedicate to educating the public on the many accomplishments of women throughout history (although I think that would be a fantastic idea). I appreciate your input.

[eskielover]

Hi there! I did not do the planning for these events as I am just a placement student working on a different project

I realized you didn't do the planning & my response was not directed to you personally (I apologize if it came across that way)

I think the idea behind the craft aspect was that vulvas are not something to be ashamed of.

It is sad that this was their idea behind the craft because honestly I would say that hardly any, if any women who have worked hard & fought for women's rights have felt ashamed of being a woman also. Women do not have to flaunt being a woman to EARN their rights & just being a woman should not entital anyone to hold a position they are NOT qualified for but they have every right to have any position they have worked for & earned just like anyone else.....while women who chose to be stay at home mom's should be honored equally too.

There is a mother's day, a father's day, a day to honor patriots, a day to honor veterans, and a day for the dead... FINALLY a day for me. But no one got me anything.

[sarahsweets]

Originally Posted by eskielover

.while women who chose to be stay at home mom's should be honored equally too.

Thank you for saying this. I always feel so..univited when it comes to things like this. I went to college and have a BA in Lit. I finished my last year and a half while being married with a baby at age 22. We had two more kids. I stopped working to be home with them when the oldest was 7 and the middle 3 and the youngest wasn't even born yet. The older two were going to day care while I worked and always getting sick and never having enough time with me. i was always taking off of work for them and bosses are not that understanding. I worked so hard for a degree and have no career, no job and no sense of society's view of purpose. I am now at the point of considering going back to get my teaching certificate to teach high school english. I was even in a class but then my son had a stroke and I had to drop it. And now I am having rotator cuff repair surgery so it will have to wait. There are days where I look in the mirror and see an old 44 year old woman who has been titled "housewife, homemaker, mom, stay at home mom.. and the usual nasty ones like lazy, too good for working, not smart enough, not desiring more. I just do not know why it seems that in order to celebrate womanhood I should be climbing the career ladder or doing it all- career, mom, perfect wife. i often feel like I am in between somewhere.....

Happy International Women's Day everyone.

[eskielover]

sarahsweets

Stay at home mom's have to be super woman. They are usually money manager (accountant), activity planner & ride arranger (office manager), nurse (& sometimes doctor too) , handy man when things break & of course chef , tutor, counsellor....& many more skills. There isn't a degree in the world that teaches the common sense that is needed to be a mom running a home.

Good for you making the choice that was best for your family. That is what celebrating & honoring women is all about. Doing what is right for them in this world.

Props also to all the women who are not mothers or wives (for all sorts of different reasons) because they contribute every bit as much to our world as the parents and spouses

[divine1966]

Originally Posted by SilverTrees

Props also to all the women who are not mothers or wives (for all sorts of different reasons) because they contribute every bit as much to our world as the parents and spouses

Excellent point. two of my closest girl friends have never been married and have no children. They both work in the career fields where they make huge contribution to well-being of others. One volunteers on a very regular basis. They make our society a better place.

Both friends mentioned that they feel excluded and are often ignored because they didn’t give birth and don’t have a man. It greatly bothers me that even in 2019 women’s role is still often seen as a wife and a mother only

But generally speaking many people don’t know what this holiday is about, it’s about women having equal rights. It’s not about just being born a woman

[healingme4me]

I went to see Captain Marvel. Certainly a woman that overcame her "shackles" so to speak.

[TishaBuv]

I felt moved watching the celebration of women on the morning shows. I felt like contributing something, somewhere for the cause in some creative way, as I like to do.

But then my day turned dark when dysfunctional relationship got thrust back in my face and i tailspinned into the abyss. surely, THIS woman has far to go...

[eskielover]

Originally Posted by SilverTrees

Props also to all the women who are not mothers or wives (for all sorts of different reasons) because they contribute every bit as much to our world as the parents and spouses

I agree totally. That we have the choice & even if we have to still battle some of old societies thinking hanging around the fact that we do have the ability to take our lives in the direction we want & that we do contribute in society in the place we want to be.

[88Butterfly88]

I hope everyone had a good International Women's Day yesterday.

[sarahsweets]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

I went to see Captain Marvel. Certainly a woman that overcame her "shackles" so to speak.

Interesting thing about that movie is in the male dominated world of gaming and comic books- many men-incels mostly were trolling people that liked the movie or saw its promise in creating a strong hero that was a woman. its despicable.

Originally Posted by sarahsweets

Interesting thing about that movie is in the male dominated world of gaming and comic books- many men-incels mostly were trolling people that liked the movie or saw its promise in creating a strong hero that was a woman. its despicable.

I watched a documentary about "incels." They are not well. Many appear to be struggling with intense social anxiety or depression. Though I am not suggesting that every male with anxiety or depression identifies as an "incel." I would not focus on them. They do not represent the vast majority of men. A lot of men and women have responded with praise to the film about a female super hero. I think it's helpful to focus on that rather than on a small minority of very angry and unwell guys. I had a male friend who was deeply into comics etc. He was also a loving husband and father who respects women.

Originally Posted by SilverTrees

many men-incels mostly were trolling people that liked the movie or saw its promise in creating a strong hero that was a woman. its despicable.

That was not what the movement against Captain Marvel was about. The movement was about pushing this character as the end all beat all of Feminism - a feminist icon -- for the selling of this movie.

There are plenty of great strong female characters in film. But the marketing of this movie wants you to forget that and will book no calling that out on line.

The alleged review bombing is a lie. Rotten Tomatoes had a feature that allowed you to say if you "wanted" to see the film. There was no "review".

It is sexism to classify every man that does not think like you as an "incel" - frankly I think that amounts to sex shaming and should be stopped.

Originally Posted by Emily Fox Seaton

That was not what the movement against Captain Marvel was about. The movement was about pushing this character as the end all beat all of Feminism - a feminist icon -- for the selling of this movie.

There are plenty of great strong female characters in film. But the marketing of this movie wants you to forget that and will book no calling that out on line.

The alleged review bombing is a lie. Rotten Tomatoes had a feature that allowed you to say if you "wanted" to see the film. There was no "review".

It is sexism to classify every man that does not think like you as an "incel" - frankly I think that amounts to sex shaming and should be stopped.

Friendly note that you quoted the wrong poster. Sarah brought up the incels and trolling. My response was the following:
I watched a documentary about "incels." They are not well. Many appear to be struggling with intense social anxiety or depression. Though I am not suggesting that every male with anxiety or depression identifies as an "incel." I would not focus on them. They do not represent the vast majority of men. A lot of men and women have responded with praise to the film about a female super hero. I think it's helpful to focus on that rather than on a small minority of very angry and unwell guys. I had a male friend who was deeply into comics etc. He was also a loving husband and father who respects women.

Personally all the responses to the super hero film (which I have not seen) that I heard were positive. From men and women. I wasn't responding to details of trolling the film or why...because I didn't know about that until Sarah mentioned. I just thought I'd add that I did a bit of research on the "incel" group. Hope folks understood what I meant. Peace to all.

Would you folks recommend that I see the film? I have not seen it simply because I'm not really into action/super hero films in general. But if it is really well done and making a cool statement, I could add it to my must-see list....thoughts?

Originally Posted by Emily Fox Seaton

That was not what the movement against Captain Marvel was about. The movement was about pushing this character as the end all beat all of Feminism - a feminist icon -- for the selling of this movie.

There are plenty of great strong female characters in film. But the marketing of this movie wants you to forget that and will book no calling that out on line.

The alleged review bombing is a lie. Rotten Tomatoes had a feature that allowed you to say if you "wanted" to see the film. There was no "review".

It is sexism to classify every man that does not think like you as an "incel" - frankly I think that amounts to sex shaming and should be stopped.

Would you recommend the film, Emily?

[sarahsweets]

Originally Posted by Emily Fox Seaton

That was not what the movement against Captain Marvel was about. The movement was about pushing this character as the end all beat all of Feminism - a feminist icon -- for the selling of this movie.


There are plenty of great strong female characters in film. But the marketing of this movie wants you to forget that and will book no calling that out on line.


The alleged review bombing is a lie. Rotten Tomatoes had a feature that allowed you to say if you "wanted" to see the film. There was no "review".


It is sexism to classify every man that does not think like you as an "incel" - frankly I think that amounts to sex shaming and should be stopped.

What makes you think I was classifying men as incels. I was saying that mostly incels are the ones who have a problem with it. And in the comic/gaming word it is a fact that women are harassed disproportionately more than men. I said “some men-mostly incels”. Not that men are mostly incels just that the men doing the trolling were mostly incels. It has nothing to do with anyone thinking like me. There is no sexism going on here.

I read two posts by two intelligent women, SarahSweets and EmilyFoxSeaton. Perhaps in honor of International Women's Day, you can agree to differ on how you view the film and its responses?

Would you recommend the film, SarahSweets? I have not seen it.