here today: Back to my WPD thing. For this we will go with whiny!! Some people like to whine when others point out things. Keep on being you and don't worry about the babies. If they can't take something written in a forum that is pretty WEAK and WHINY. WPD is the newest one and should be in the next DSM novel!!

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by here today

I'd like some feedback about the debate/discussion on the vindictive phase thread. Was I out of line? I know what some people said when then didn't like, or were triggered by, something that I said. But did that make it abusive?

Don't worry about it here_today. You weren't out of line, just offering your own perspective. I think it should be understood that in this forum things can and do get triggering for certain kinds of people in here sometimes. Everyone posting here is an adult, they can choose what they read and what they respond to. Offering a perspective that not everyone likes doesn't make you abusive; not at all.

To the above post. I am either love or hated, no in-between EVER!! Worry about you only and you will be just like me when it comes to writing. It is so very empowering!!!

[Atypical_Disaster]

@ Underground yes people either love me or hate me. There's never an in between. Though I am most often loved because I'm fabulous. People who hate me just can't understand my greatness, too bad for them!

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[marmaduke]

How does someone get diagnoised 'narcissistic'?
Taking into account most narcs would rage at anyone suggesting they are not perfect?

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[here today]

I don't know for sure, I was diagnosed with personality disorder otherwise specified. My particular beef is that I think if we had better treatment for personality disorders, more success stories, etc., then it would be easier for someone to consider "Oh, yeah, maybe something's not working quite right with me right now", with the idea that things could be better. Obviously, the people writing in these forums have done that.

So, I'm really, really sad for you if that's not happening with the people in your life, or past, right now.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

How does someone get diagnoised 'narcissistic'?
Taking into account most narcs would rage at anyone suggesting they are not perfect?

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If Narcissists never got diagnosed the category wouldn't even be in the DSM because if nobody ever got diagnosed how could you know there was such a thing as Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

I was more surprised than angry when I was diagnosed. I didn't know perfection had a name, ha ha ha.

Originally Posted by marmaduke

How does someone get diagnoised 'narcissistic'?
Taking into account most narcs would rage at anyone suggesting they are not perfect?

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For me, most of my life I knew something about me was different. NPD is far from the cookie cutter diagnosis. When I found this nickname as Atypical said "one who is perfect he he he". It fit like a glove. The rest all fell into place. So ones who accept their not like others can be told and figure it out for themselves rather than battling it. Keep in mind that this here feels pretty normal to most, reason why so many never even know they have this.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by Underground

For me, most of my life I knew something about me was different. NPD is far from the cookie cutter diagnosis. When I found this nickname as Atypical said "one who is perfect he he he". It fit like a glove. The rest all fell into place. So ones who accept their not like others can be told and figure it out for themselves rather than battling it. Keep in mind that this here feels pretty normal to most, reason why so many never even know they have this.

That knowing something was different, same here. I knew something was very different about me because I'm obviously unique but still, I didn't know it qualified for a NPD diagnosis until I got diagnosed. I didn't know much about personality disorders until after that when I started doing some research to understand myself, and then I wound up checking off boxes for various family members of mine! HA HA HA!

[leomama]

Originally Posted by here today

I don't know for sure, I was diagnosed with personality disorder otherwise specified. My particular beef is that I think if we had better treatment for personality disorders, more success stories, etc., then it would be easier for someone to consider "Oh, yeah, maybe something's not working quite right with me right now", with the idea that things could be better. Obviously, the people writing in these forums have done that.


So, I'm really, really sad for you if that's not happening with the people in your life, or past, right now.

Me too and I had some narc traits but not the disorder .

[hazn]

I have a question! Do you like watching horror movies? If yes, what do you get out of it?

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

I have a question! Do you like watching horror movies? If yes, what do you get out of it?

I'm an unabashed horror movie fanatic, lol. What do I get out of it? Entertainment, of course.

[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

I'm an unabashed horror movie fanatic, lol. What do I get out of it? Entertainment, of course.

But like, what's entertaining about it for you? I literally can't watch horror movies, even watching something that you'd probably consider not that scary, would end up making me feel disturbed. So this whole idea is kind of weird to me ...not that I'm suggesting there's a link between enjoying horror movies and NPD, but I guess it's an interesting question because of the whole empathy thing.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

But like, what's entertaining about it for you? I literally can't watch horror movies, even watching something that you'd probably consider not that scary, would end up making me feel disturbed. So this whole idea is kind of weird to me ...not that I'm suggesting there's a link between enjoying horror movies and NPD, but I guess it's an interesting question because of the whole empathy thing.

I like the intensity and I also find some of them to be darkly funny. It takes a lot to scare me but it has happened before lol.

People think I am a bit odd because I can watch something that would scare most people but I'll sit there totally fine while everyone else is scared.

The lack of empathy thing might explain why I was able to watch the entire Saw franchise and not even flinch. Though I don't like the "torture porn" style of horror movies as a general rule, I prefer the paranormal ones.

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[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

I like the intensity and I also find some of them to be darkly funny. It takes a lot to scare me but it has happened before lol.

People think I am a bit odd because I can watch something that would scare most people but I'll sit there totally fine while everyone else is scared.

The lack of empathy thing might explain why I was able to watch the entire Saw franchise and not even flinch. Though I don't like the "torture porn" style of horror movies as a general rule, I prefer the paranormal ones.

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When you say "intensity", what do you mean exactly? I imagine most people find horror movies intense because they find them scary. Perhaps they feel afraid for the character. If you don't feel these things so much, where's the intensity coming from?

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

When you say "intensity", what do you mean exactly? I imagine most people find horror movies intense because they find them scary. Perhaps they feel afraid for the character. If you don't feel these things so much, where's the intensity coming from?

I like the visceral imagery, sounds, things like that. I've never actually thought about it before hahah. I find the darker side of life intriguing in general, I find movies like that fascinating as a result. And it's also interesting to see what scares other people that may be watching movies with me.

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[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

I like the visceral imagery, sounds, things like that. I've never actually thought about it before hahah. I find the darker side of life intriguing in general, I find movies like that fascinating as a result. And it's also interesting to see what scares other people that may be watching movies with me.

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Fair enough, makes sense

[hazn]

I wonder... is this a common theme amongst people with NPD? I don't know anyone with NPD, so I have no idea :S

"the visceral imagery, sounds..." - what kind of music do you listen to? What are your thoughts on Pink Floyd?

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

I wonder... is this a common theme amongst people with NPD? I don't know anyone with NPD, so I have no idea :S

"the visceral imagery, sounds..." - what kind of music do you listen to? What are your thoughts on Pink Floyd?

I like all kinds of music except most country. I love Pink Floyd.

[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

I like all kinds of music except most country. I love Pink Floyd.

Interesting. Thanks!

I'm genuinely confused by NPD being discussed like it's an MI because it's no longer recognized as one by the DSM. It's a personality centered issue that most therapists agree is mostly the result of improper nurture, not nature. So why do we speak to NPD folks like they're sociopaths or others suffering or behaving on account of nature?

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by rouge198

I'm genuinely confused by NPD being discussed like it's an MI because it's no longer recognized as one by the DSM. It's a personality centered issue that most therapists agree is mostly the result of improper nurture, not nature. So why do we speak to NPD folks like they're sociopaths or others suffering or behaving on account of nature?

First of all, there are ten personality disorders recognized in the DSM-5. I would know, as I've read it cover to cover. Besides that, it hardly matters if a condition is in the DSM or not. Narcissism is an issue for many people, both those who have high levels of it and the people who are around highly narcissistic people.

Second of all, many of us talk about our own theories regarding personality disorders because frankly professionals hardly ever know what they're doing.

Third of all, people such as myself post here with applied knowledge not some inaccurate nonsense I read on the internet or in a book.

Fourth of all, the nature VS nurture debate will be going on until the end of time. I do not care about it. I have my own opinions on how that worked in my life, but that is only my experience. I do not claim to speak for anyone here except myself.

Every human being has narcissistic tendencies; alleged narcissists don't corner the market on self involvement. The DSM incorrectly identified a common character defect as a disorder and did the right thing by eliminating it from their manual - which is why it no longer sits with the remaining personality disorders.

By constantly focusing our attention on what alleged narcissists think, feel and/or do we do them a tremendous disservice. They aren't exceptional because they've always existed and been responsible for creating living conditions so terrible for their fellow human beings (think Hitler) they they've forced other humans residing in all corners of the world to intervene in behalf of all humanity. Narcissists' defects are perfectly in line with the universe. It took a Hitler for the "first" world to decide that civilization ought never allow that form of maltreatment to flourish.

Narcissists serve humanity, nothing happens by accident - however depraved it/they may be.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by rouge198

Every human being has narcissistic tendencies; alleged narcissists don't corner the market on self involvement. The DSM incorrectly identified a common character defect as a disorder and did the right thing by eliminating it from their manual - which is why it no longer sits with the remaining personality disorders.

By constantly focusing our attention on what alleged narcissists think, feel and/or do we do them a tremendous disservice. They aren't exceptional because they've always existed and been responsible for creating living conditions so terrible for their fellow human beings (think Hitler) they they've forced other humans residing in all corners of the world to intervene in behalf of all humanity. Narcissists' defects are perfectly in line with the universe. It took a Hitler for the "first" world to decide that civilization ought never allow that form of maltreatment to flourish.

Narcissists serve humanity, nothing happens by accident - however depraved it/they may be.

You're not making a particle of sense. As I said in my previous post in easy to understand language, NPD is still in the DSM.

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

You're not making a particle of sense. As I said in my previous post in easy to understand language, NPD is still in the DSM.

You misread the manual,it was eliminated. You're just as unique as everyone else. Good day!