Michael Jackson Dead?

I agree, and I may make some people mad here but stuff like this really makes me mad. I was in the 5th grade when Thriller came out -- he was considered "cool" then. After that album's success though, is when all the weird stories about him started flying around. From then on he was called a freak, weirdo Jacko and all that other stuff. Now that he has passed, some of the same people who called him names are now praising him, acting like he was such a great man. I hate two-faced people -- stuff like that always bothers me!!

Eh, I don't know about it being 'two-faced'. How about - accepting all potential realities?

Without a doubt Michael Jackson was an astoundingly brilliant musician. His contribution to the music world has been enormous. Without a doubt he was also a very troubled man, who may or may not have been a pedophile (personally I lean towards the likelihood that he was, although it has not been proven.)

That does not make me two-faced. All people have positives and negatives about them. Michael Jackson was both exceptionally gifted and exceptionally troubled. Nothing two faced about acknowledging that.

This hoax was used a few years back, (the inclusion of Goldblum), when someone famous died. I suppose a part of the media finds humor in taking this to the limit.
Shameful.

Rest in peace, Michael. You will be missed.

Shangrala

can't we all just get along

The thing that hit me was that fame, notariety, wealth, beauty, personality, good or bad; these things don't "save". Famous People still die. Made me aware that what is really important is my healing and how I can use what I have learned to help others on the same journey.....not to be noticed or held up as some kind of "super person" because in the end the only thing that is really left are the seeds planted and blooms that reseed in other's lives. And tho I may never be remembered, a part of me will live on--quietly and beautifully
Just some of my thoughts---

I do send condolences to the Jackson family. Hopefully the good Michael did will live on and the other will be forgotten.

Poor Jeff, whenever someone dies he's also reported dead.

Why is it that some feel it so necessary to become judge & jury at the hint of news, (especially when it's news coming from the media, which is almost always so filled with bunch of crap, anyway. Anything which sells the tabloids they will include...don't matter if it's filled with slander...in fact, the more slander, the better the sales)....and the more falsely cruel are the judgements passed.

For those who are compelled to appoint selves as the "Affirminator", I am compelled to ask you:
How can you feel comfortable passing judgement upon another when you have not walked their path?
Have you not made mistakes of your own?
Do you believe that you will not continue to confront new dilemmas which will only present possiblilities of new mistakes to be made?
Have you never had to know what it is like to have another pass judgement upon you, regardless of the circumstances?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinon, however, there is a difference between an expression of opinion and a crucifying judgement.

With that statement said, I must express that those who feel a need to pass judgement are, in my opinion, those who are walking their own path of suffering with their own inner demons, (a path, however, which is not leading inward...moreso a racing track away from self).

Have you noticed how, although the passing of both Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson were on the same day, there was no mentions of judgement/slander upon Farrah? Some of us posted our repsectful condolences regarding her passing. There was not one bad post about her.
Yet, Michael has already earned many negative responses.
And why do you suppose that is? Is it because Farrah was a well-loved bombshell/former Angel who had suffered slowly from an incurable cancer?
Or, could it be because Michael was branded with many "alleged" accusations?, All are, in one way, or another, connected to a sexual issue, (whether it be regarding of Michael's own sense of identity, or that of his behavior....NONE of which were ever proven).

This brings me to reflect upon the passing of David Carradine (Character of Kwai Chang Caine of the 1970's series, Kung Fu), earlier this month, and the reactions of the media, (of course, exploding the facts into yet another inclusion of something sexual, just to sell more tabloids).
Sex sells, so what does the media do? Instead of respecting the passing of one of our greatest legends, they completely discredit him all in the name of money..Greed.
What makes it more shameful is the fact that people support it. They consume it as the divine truth and only spread it, like an incurable plague.

In my opinion, what a person choses to do is that of their own affair, so long as that behavior does not pose threat to another. What David was doing at the time of his death was his business. What Michael did in his private world was his business.
Whatever the media "claims" they've done, whether in the public eye or not, was never proven, thus which also should have remained their business.

"He who points their finger to blame are the one's who hide in shame"

Nuff said. My apologies for the rant.

Rest in peace, David, Farrah and Michael.

Shangrala

I was not going to comment about the reported abuses, however suggesting that what he did was his own business just makes me angry! The man that molested me was never found guilty in a court of law, does that mean that the things he does too are his own business that it never happened? The likelihood of any abuser in this area to see a guilty verdict in court is slim, a famous one, nearly impossible.

My abuser too was not convicted does this too make him innocent ? Am I lying ? Is the two (to my knowledge) lads who accused Mr Jackson also lying because there was no conviction ?

Just watched MSNBC live on cable. They dont have confirmation of what killed Michael Jackson. The autopsy results are not in yet. They are cautioning people not to jump to conclusions, they are calling it cardiac arrest only because when the paramedics got to his home he was not breathing and his heart was not beating. they always celebraty or not assume it is cardiac arrest in situations like this until the autopsy results come in.

the brother (dont know which one) was commenting on Michael Jackson was on alot of medications that conflict with each other and the family was always worried that the meds would cause him heart problems. another actor was commenting on micheal jackson saying if it wasnt for the kids of the world he would commit suicide. So the news, ET, and insider are all speculating as to what caused his heart to stop.
Some say suicide, some say medication, some say too many operations and I wont even go into detail about the jerks on line trying to say someone laced his drink with arsnic for molestinmg their child.

MSNBC live also commented on michael jacksons sex abuse charges saying he was cleared of all charges a couple years ago. And the first charge he settled out of court on his lawyers recommendation to make it go away vs. ruin his reputation by going to court. So in the first sex abuse case there was no court hearings no determination of guilt or innocence, he just settled out of court. The reason he went through the court when the sex abuse charges happened a few years ago was because when he tried to save his family the publicity of court it by settling it only made rumors fly so he told his lawyer to go the court system and he was cleared of all charges.

the MSNBC live also said that now that he is gone there are going to be many people speculating and jumping to conclusions now that he isnt here to defend himself. they were not going to do that and reitterated they dont know for sure why michael jackson died. the paramedics that arrived on the scene had to treat it as a cardiac arrest because his heart was not beating, and they would let everyone know when the autopsy results come in confirming cardiac arrest or other reasons for his death.

I'm sorry for those who have been subjected to such abuse, and also to not have the convictions of persons through our "justice" system, (another subject that can go well into deep debate of its own).

(Btw~ I feel it important that I include that I, too, have been subjected to such abuse. I am not speaking out of speculations of my own accord).

My purpose of post was to state that, who are we to be so easy to judge something that we can NOT be certain of?, (such as in the case of what is assumed of Michael's...whether or not it is true....we don't really know).

I am not stating that because what has been done to those of you who have been abused, and the fact that those who abused you have not been convicted, that all is alright. Far from that. However, there is a difference there......You KNOW what happened. It was YOUR path that YOU walked, therefore you can certainly not only pass judgements, but have EVERY right to.

Michael's path, (as well as anyone else's, other than our own), is not ours to judge. That is ALL I am saying.

It was not my intention to upset anyone by my post.
I sincerely apologize to those to which my post may have triggered.

Shangrala

AAAAA who is Jeff? I just want to say that Michael Jackson was King of Pop. I do find it very disturbing when they showed a clip of him in an interview telling the media that it's ok for a child to share a bed with him. Now weather he abused the child or not, really nobody knows. I will say this, if my child told me that he/she was sleeping with a grown man in bed I'm going to be pissed. I would have his butt too. This came out of Michael Jackson's mouth, so if he did not want to be judged by his own statement, he should not of said what he said. That's just my opinion. Just because someone is famous doesn't mean that they are not a human being like the rest of us.

Hopefully I won't make this worse by trying to explain more of what I meant. Everyone has posted such interesting views and feelings on this -- I feel bad for those out there that have been triggered by this. Michael Jackson was an enigma: I don't think he even knew who he was anymore. I don't believe the guy was ever happy and that's pretty sad, no matter who you are.

I've been having a problem with the media lately. When I mentioned two-faced people earlier, that's who I was speaking of. This same media spread all the wacko jacko stories, oxygen tanks, elephant man, Bubbles the chimp, any thing that they could to sell papers. Yes, I know that was their job and they wouldn't print things like that if nobody bought them. It just drives me nuts that the same media will be behind the tributes (and I'm sure there will be all kinds) that will be coming up. They report how sad and tragic his passing is, what a shock: where were all of these comments while he was alive?? He was a "freak" while alive but now that he's gone it's suddenly a tragedy.

Does anybody understand what I'm trying to say? I know I'm not explaining myself very well. I think I'll just shut up because I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say.

Michael's path, (as well as anyone else's, other than our own), is not ours to judge. That is ALL I am saying.

I disagree with this. Two children accused him of sexually abusing them. At least one other that I know of (a child celebrity) intimated that 'stuff' happened between himself and Michael Jackson. The man himself shows (through actions, and things he has said) many traits that fit the pedophile profile. If you read through the detailed victim statements (available online) the emotional manipulations described have 'pedophile' stamped all over them.

Children were involved here. The allegations did not come from the media - they came from children. Their victim statements describe in detail the way they were groomed into increasingly inappropriate intimate contact with MJ. There was not enough evidence to convict him, but not proven guilty does not mean 'proven innocent'.

I have just two statements:

The man was an absolute musical genius.
ALL children deserve protection from ALL sexual abuse, whether it is proven in a court of law or not.

I understand what you are trying to say ......

JUst my thoughts here
MJ is dead.
Everyone does something wrong at some point in his/her life.
We all are angry at our abusers.
If the energy that is being put into flaming MJ is used to embrace our inner child or insiders and to see how we can help children who are victims, ther would be a wave of compassion toward those who are living and need our help in their healing.

Again, just my thoughts.

I debated whether or not to say anything because I don't want to offend anyone, especially those who have been sexually abused. This post was started so we could share our feelings about his death and it's branched out into a debate about - was he guilty or not. Although it's true that it wasn't proven in court, he still could have been guilty, but only God really knows for sure.
What really BUGS me the most about all of this, is WHERE were those kids parents. I would NEVER let my daughters go with a famous celebrity(or anyone else), no matter what. If he did abuse them, then I equally blame their parents for serving their children on a silver platter to him. What IDIOT of a parent lets their kid sleep at a celebrity's house or anyone elses for that matter. I don't leave my kids alone with ANYONE, ever and it's my job to guard my children. I have also taught my children to never let anyone touch them. This makes me think that these parents did this for MONEY. I really don't know 100% if he was a pedophile or not. What if they were money grabbing people and he was innocent. How come you never see these boys talking on TV about their supposed abuse - because their parents accepted huge amounts of money. If my kids were ever abused, no amount of money would shut me up. I would talk about it till the day I die. IF he did do it, then those kids parents knew it and basically SOLD their kids for money.
There's no doubt that he was a suffering person with his own problems. He also was probably abused when he was a child. Unless we know 100%, then I don't think we can judge him. Only Michael Jackson, the boys and God know for sure.
I hope this post will not upset anyone here and if it does I'm sorry.

Jeff Goldblum. Everytime there is a group of famous people that die, it is reported that either he or that magician (name escapes me) has also died.

I agree with you Lynn, this was a greatly troubled individual (not an excuse, just an observation). No one can dispute that he made amazing contributions to the music industry. I am at peace over the whole thing because it is my own belief he is answering to a higher power.

I also agree that the parents bear some of the responsibility. In this particular case, what convinced me was the experience of Corey Feldmen. He wasn't angry with Michael (misdirected in my opinion) but with Corey Haim for continuing to remain friends with Michael after CF confided what happened to him.

I would disagree that you need 100% certainty to pass judgement. If I hear that person X has had inappropriate contact with a child, I'm certainly not going to let them near my children.

It's very difficult to seperate this man from the things he was accused of doing. We tend to forget the bad when someone dies.

I certainly respect your opinion AAAAA and your advice/beliefs are very valuable here on this site. When I referred to not knowing if he was a pedophile 100% - I meant in a court of law and my own personal opinion. That's why as a parent I don't trust one person on this earth with my own children, even if they appear trustworthy. I was only saying for sure that Michael, the boys and God knows 100%. I would certainty not have let him near my children. I just really get fuming mad at the parents in these cases as well as the abuser. You're a dear woman and I would not want to upset you.

I just feel very sad. He had a sad life... and a sad death. He's at peace now, and still I feel like I want to comfort him...

I look at the death of Farrah Fawcett & the grace that surrounded her through all the rough cancer treatments.....the love she was surrounded with by friends & her soul mate.......Even though the ravages of cancer, she kept that graceful way about her.

Sad when we look at the circumstances of Michael Jackson......he had been on pain killers guess they said since the fire on the coke commercial he made way back in ???? He had been given a demoral shot 1 hour before he died......the drug tests are going to take a couple of weeks to get back.....but they are fairly sure that that it was the meds he was on that caused the cardiac arrest with his cardiologist in the room when they were calling 911....not surrounded by family or friends when he died. It is hard to separate a persons past from what they are at the time of death. No matter how talented someone is, it is what you are & the love you leave behind in this life that really counts in who you are.....music & movies will exist forever without the person who wrote or acted.......but the memory of the real person is what counts.

I found it rather interesting that the white house sent their condolences to Michael Jackon's family & didn't say a word in the case of Farrah.

????????

Debbie

Michael Jackson, the "King of Pop" is dead at the age of 50.

Michael Jackson, the "alleged" child molester is dead at the age of 50.


Either way you look at it, he does not live to touch another soul!!

This man, that once made me stare in awe as he danced and sang with his heart, is now gone. I DO NOT condone the mal-treatment or abuse of any child, or person. And let us not forget that at one point, Michael Jackson was himself a victim of child abuse. Unfortunately, it may have come to pass that he became a perpetrator along the way (allegedly). Regardless of one's opinion, his soul has forever moved beyond the judgement of man and is now under the judgement of a higher power.

He lived a very lonely life, and although this does not excuse any misgivings he partook in, the man is dead. Let him rest. Celebrate the goodness in his heart and help others to learn from his alleged harmful behaviors.

I think he has to have been the most fascinating, blessed, tortured, talented, plagued, and misunderstood human being on the planet. Anyone that can not look beyond their own judgments will, eventually, be swallowed by them.

MJ-RIP

Actually Demoral is a very dangerous drug. Its not easy even getting a doctor to give you the shot under normal circumstances. Since he was a celebrity he had access to meds in quantities average people never would have.

Has it occurred to anyone else though that maybe he isn't dead? I was just thinking what if he's pulling an Elvis Presley. Not that I think Elvis is alive; I just mean what if Michael faked his death like Elvis is said to have. Kinda like that Eddie and the Cruisers movie. He was suppose to be a very private person and maybe he just had enough being in the spotlight under scrutiny and also if he died he'd be out of debt. Or what if he had another plastic surgery that deformed him to the point he couldn't go out in public ever again so he faked his death so he can go into seclusion. Not saying its so. Just saying what if.

It would mean having no contact with his children untill they are older which I really dont think he would do.

Just a thought....

If one of his (poss) victims came on here and was posting saying how they are glad that he is dead as he abused them.

Remembering that he was not convicted of a crime.

Would everyone here still be praising his music or supporting the people that say he abused them ?

My abuser is a clever artist if he died I would be devestated that people were focusing on that and praising the man who affected my life in such a bad way.