Division. Is it real.

I find division all over. I hate( i dont really hate, i accept) division. Even though "my, preist, and T", say to me, its nessery( bad spelling, who # cares). To be divided is to evololve( even though the concept of true evolvement never truly exists), people change, the planet does not. I find upon earth a race of people who use too much politics and theology, not enough -philosophy and pyhchology. The tools/rules of exsistence are complicated, so complicated that people seem to lose "a" way, "or their way" or "my way". There are no rules, or boundrys( again bad speling, but who cares), to lose "a" way, or "your" way, or "my" way; is to be bound. Bound by rules of "division". If it were up to me, i would tear evey boudary down, let people be them selfs( within reason). There would be no boundarys, no border lines( only except in taste, and or culture, which is what makes us human). I find on earth that the people are doomed, if the humans dont wake up; wake up to the fact that killing each other and starving one another( intellectualy or physicly), you ( we, i) are doomed. Sorry to be blunt, i only speak the truth. If the people who run this planet dont wise up, its going to be revoloution; just like the myans, egyptions, romans, first richt(to 3rd), and the english empires. All fell, all were doomed. Now we live in " the age of globalisation", civil rights have given way to global rights. Thats ok, but if no boundarys are broken, taken down, we have no freedom. To "oneself", that is a recipe for disaster. The end will come for "globalisation" ( dont get me wrong, i love globalisation), but a new dark age, where ones on earth --regress, and others will progress. To take down the divisions of acceptance(politics, religon,social behavior,ways of life , etc etc etc etc etc etc), will serve us better surly, to not have another fall ( like the Empires ). I don't know the future, but i'm very good at predictions; no change, no releasing of the concept of " a boundary", or borderline; or to destroy division( within reason, meaning that i accept anothers way of life with no judgements), if there is no concept for this change; .........."i" am doomed to die on a planet that deserves no better than it gives out. I only want to love and to heal wounds( not wounds of preconception (i.e god /whaterver), pre meditated pain, premeditated hurting from 1 human to another), the wounds of nature. Those wounds are the worse, when another human hurts another(out of spite), then we are doomed. .....x.......sanada....x

Ok Sandra,

Oh yeah, I see your point. But it is worse than that.

Here it is, are you ready?

AS LONG AS ANYONE CAN HAVE A CHILD, EVEN A CHILD CAN HAVE A CHILD, WE WILL ALL BE SCREWED UP TO BEGIN WITH. THAT IS WHY WE ALL COME TO PC.

AS LONG AS WE DO NOT MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RAISE CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUNKS AND HAVE ISSUES OR DO IT JUST BECAUSE IT COMES NEXT AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING, THAN ALL THESE PEOPLE WILL RULE US AND SEPARATE US FOREVER. BECAUSE WE ARE SO DEPRESSED OF FULL OF PTSD OR DOING SOMETHING AS A RESULT OF DAMAGE CAUSED TO US THAT WE WILL BE TOO BUSY TO NOTICE.

IF YOU CAN START WITH A HEALTHY CHILD AND GIVE IT WHAT IT NEEDS AND TEACH IT CORRECTLY AND NOT ABUSE IT OR LET OTHERS ABUSE IT AND KNOW THAT IT GROWS FOR A LONG TIME AND GOES THRU CHANGES IT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND AND MAY COME WITH A LABLE CALLED ADD OR DISLEXIA OR SOME OTHER FORM OF LEARNING DISABILITY THAN ALL THE OTHER THINGS WILL NEVER EXIST.

ALL THESE THINGS COME TO BE BECAUSE WE NEVER LEARNED HOW TO RAISE A CHILD. ALL THAT YOU SPEAK OF IS LEARNED BEHAIORS AND CONTROL OVER OTHERS. IT CAN BE SEEN THRUOUT HISTORY.

AND IF I MISPELLED ANYTHING DONT WORRY, WORRY ABOUT THE MESSAGE.

Open Eyes

There is no one "in control" who can ensure that children are raised in a healthy way. We are lifting ourselves by our bootstraps (or not).

Time for revolution than? Or rather... ravelushun?

as much as I am for world without borders (but I know it won't be that easy to achieve... not in my life), I treasure my personal boundaries and I don't award visa to my soul to everybody. YOu don't want to end up living with no secrets, no privacy... that is dystopic. So is govt. raising the children the "right" way.

Well, revolution? Sorry we wont even know how to do that sorry to say.

Heres an example: If I talk to someone in another part of the world and I am trying to be nice as best as I know, Well, remember I was raised in an imperfect situation too. And that person is not willing to accept my kindness and decides to just punish me what does that mean? Maybe that other person has a pimple on her nose and it really bothers her because she was taught that she had to be perfect in someway or it was always pointed out to her. Now, if she isn't perfect she can not socialize because somewhere inside someone has made her feel that a little pimple or that extra pound means she is not perfect and therefore undeserving.

Now, this person hates America because maybe someone told her to, or she just sees that it isn't perfect. Well yes she is absoulety right because just like everywhere else there is no education on how to raise a normal human being that doesn't have to worry about a pimple, a drunk parent, a single parent, another meal, another person that is mean without real reason because that other person is angry too.

BUT maybe that girl just doesn't realize that I have that pimple too and we are having the same problem and that maybe if we really met we could get together and discuss it and even help each other overcome WHAT DAMAGE WAS DONE TO US BY THE ONES WHO RAISED US NO MATTER WHAT COLOR WE ARE, RELIGION, OR COUNTRY WE LIVE IN.

So, we can all have a revolution and consentrate on hating the other person where we MISS THE POINT ALL TOGETHER because we both are VICTIMS OF NOT BEING RAISED RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. That I may be blamed for being white and the other person who is brown and has that pimple on thier nose feels that I AM DESCRIMINATING AGAINST HER or HIM.

THAT IS HOW SICK IT REALLY IS. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR, RACE, COUNTRY YOU COME FROM.

EVEN ANIMALS RAISE THEIR YOUNG BETTER THAN HUMANS.

"No, It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" I don't really think that there is a way to become WELL ADJUSTED because we WE'RE NEVER TAUGHT THAT TO BEGIN WITH.

You Know, when I came to PC, I had problems right away. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO BE SICK RIGHT EITHER, HOW SAD IS THAT? I HAD TO EVEN LEARN HOW TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PTSD RIGHT.

Open Eyes

I don't even know what to say to that rant.

I do not propose revolutions for sake of revolutions... if you read my blog, you would know that.

I do not "hate" America or any other country or culture for that matter... unlike some. and if I criticize country's policies, or concepts... it is not because of my lack of education. I have degree in IR, so i feel compelled to comment on politics.

I also do not appreciate of people commenting on how i was raised. Not that i have some minor traumas, but it has nothing to do with my parents. My mother loves and my father loved me too, when he was still alive and they taught me good values overall. And even if they made mistakes... they did raise me better than my government would... sure, I don't fit in. I cannot lie well or steal, I don't know who to bribe somebody or how to manipulate people...

Perhaps what Open Eyes said was basically not about you, Venus? Perhaps she has heard that from others...

I know, especially in the past, I have mixed what one person said with what others say...

Your absoluty right Pachyderm,

You see what I mean? I was generalizing, but I didn't do that right either did I? And I figured that out the first week that I came to PC.

I realize that there is no way that I can be perfectly correct with PTSD.
But, I do come here in recognition that at least I can try and maybe something I say can help someone else that is trying too.

I saw a quote that wasn't even written by the person that took offense in me. I just looked at the quote and talked about what it meant to me. But I am not even allowed to do that. And somehow it all turned to that person who GABBED offense. I have already clearly stated that I DO HAVE DAMAGE THAT IS CAUSED BY SOMEONE ELSE WHO WAS DAMAGED THEMSELVES BY SOMEONE ELSE AND I AM TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IT SOMEHOW.

CAN I NOT AT LEAST TRY? OK, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HIT ME WITH NOW? I HAVE NOT EVEN GOTTEN UP YET, ARE YOU JUST GOING TO HIT ME MORE?

PEOPLE WITH PTSD HAVE A TENDENCY TO RANT. LOOK IT UP. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU VENUS.

I was actually thinking of a girl that came into PTSD that was having a problem with other people picking on her for being a larger size. NO VENUS YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE HERE i WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW YOUR WERE RAISED. BUT YOU HAD TO THINK THAT DIDN'T YOU?
NO YOU HAD TO DO EXACTLY WHAT IS POINTED OUT IN THE VERY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD. DEVIDE


Open Eyes

You commented on my quote and on "revolution".

why would I hit you? I am pretty much a pacifist. I just have different opinion. I hope that is still allowed here.

You can try all you want.

hi open eyes. I speak freom experience. I was massively abused as a child( by a drunk, its in my profile), i'm talking about freedom to grow, the person who did what they did to me, is gone. I've looked at history, thats gone. its the future and the here and now that bothers me. i can see paterns of destruction, within history, and with in the family, both are the same. if it were up to me----a person would need a "licence" to have children( its a good job its not up to me ). I have masssive FAITH in the "potential" future, but sadly "only for myself", thats all it is---a "potential". I really hope people(the 1's with power),are able to work it out before its too late. Now in life, my opinions, have placed me in more danger than i ever was when i was a child??????????????...x

For many of us, those people are still here, right inside our own heads! Some of us literally hear them, some of us have thoughts that came from them originally, I think.

So many harmed people, continuing the harm. Some of those are mental health "professionals" too.

As a very famious queen once said "i desire no window into anothers soul", neither do i( or a look into there garden ). Its resect of that boundry i seek( hope for ). Not in our life times, if not now then when, tomororw, the day after; dya see my meaning. Its a world i dream for, but maybe i'll never see-----No actualy, i have Faith in myself, so i will see a potential come true....x

Hi Sandra,

I am sorry that you were abused, so sorry. And yes it was you that talked about REVOLUTION first in your thread. And yes, I understood it not to be a revolution of WAR but of how to change things in a different way.

I also hadn't realized that a quote really BELONGED TO SOMEONE woops sorry. No, I understood that it was written by someone for all mankind to ponder and wasn't meant to be owned by just one or even felt believed or understood by just one. And to be honest, that too is a futile argument. If it is owned by another well, I am sorry that I even thought about it. Wait, isn't that the point here? I really thought I understood what Sandra was saying and yes, I did stand in agreement but, I do hope that at least Sandra does not misunderstand me, that would be a start.

Well, at least I got permission to TRY ALL I WANT.

Well Sandra, I can understand the sentiment that YOUR OPINIONS CAN PLACE YOU IN MORE DANGER THAN YOU MAY HAVE FELT BEFORE. But that is ok, sometimes I feel that way too. At least you are understanding that YOU can help YOU and that is a start, I try to do the same.

You and me well, unfortunately we have the same problem and yes we are trying and yes sometimes others feel like we need permission. But the important thing is that we give OURSELVES permission.

Open Eyes

open eyes, if a person i cruel because of different strokes, that person is damaged, you're totaly right. But the cycle "has" to be broken somewhere or it will never be broken. ----------that to myself "is" a disaster. When i talk of revoloution, i do'nt mean murder and death. Intellectual revolvement i seek, so a person does not get damaged, when another tries to place a label upon them. x

nice one venus. i also was rasied with values. but unfortnately those doing the raising were hypocrites. if my mother had lived i never would have had to question so much(i think, one cannot undo the past). even though, i still look in the mirror and love what i see, i'm proud to have my value system. one of respect for the world and my neighboors. i hate no country, hate is a proper negative emotion i (try) to keep clear of--its the same as jelousy. i love politics too, its a tool for debate to make things better. x

nice one packyderm. dya see why i raised this concept. Its valid to question the idea of bringing down the "borders" inbetween people so that we have recorse to "our" laws of protection. If someone is abused(or singled out or labeled), its a good thing to try to break the cycles of abuse, other wise we are doomed to repeat them forever. I pray for a world of equallity. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Well, Sandra I am in agreement with everything that you say. Im actually glad you started this thread. I have felt it too, just like you pretty much exactly like you.
Yes, me too, I TRY TO KEEP CLEAR OF IT. And in many ways, I try to at the very least defend my right to do so. And I sure hope politics does make some progress in making things better through all the various debates. But to be honest, I REALLY WISH YOU AND I AND OTHERS DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE THINGS WE DID GO THRU. If only somehow that could be REALLY DEBATED OUT IN THE OPEN.
I have the same wish as you Sandra, good spelling or not, no matter what language it is said.

I think I'll go take a nap now, kinda tired. I try to find something to start of my day in a positive motion. I get tired if I have to agree, disagree, or agree to disagree.

Thank you Sandra
Open Eyes

Oh I just realized I spelled you name wrong, sorry, I was addressing you as Sandra, it should have been Sanada. LOL I did not even intend to do that. You know I was raised to make sure that I somehow comanded the english language in spelling and english, but my home life got in the way. Now, its strange because there are so many short cuts that I am really mixed up. I am learning the short cuts but can only use them with a voice in my head that says its not proper english. LOL

I do want you to know that I got your message regardless of any mis-spelling. The message was the important part, I do understand that, and your sentiment.

Open Eyes

Yeah, those with anxiety/stress problems, eat them instead of raising them.

Well, actually that is not always why in reality, many do that because they can literally smell disease, we actually take that ability and use it for us.

No humans learn how to be inhuman all by themselves. And then pass that off to their offspring.

In respect to this begining sentiment, how many go and greet the people coming into PC? I try to do it as much as possible and I really read what is said. They always begin with feeling bad and they don't know where to go. And then they say that they try of tell the parents and the parents don't get it or insist nothing is wrong.
And then they APPOLOGIZE for even bothering us at PC. I feel really terrible that someone feels like that, and they all say pretty much the same thing.

And the sad thing is well, they are afraid to even feel. How is it that Sanada gets it, hopes for it and feels afraid?

I make a statement and someone may take offense, and I know what it feels like to be afraid.

How is it that someone is in depression visits Children or Families of Alcoholism and somehow says, Oh, well at least the bills were paid and I got fed.

And then someone else is living with a father that terrorizes her every day and he has a DUI, this girl and even her mother are AFRAID.

How many times do we have to look away when a politician cheats on his wife and THOSE CHILDREN HAVE TO SUFFER IN PUBLIC, they are AFRAID.

Thats pretty sad.

Well. I think, "Life is hard and then you die." Personal suffering can be redemptive if it leads to compassion and deeper understanding. To the degree that I can embrace my own suffering and transform it through insight and understanding, I make the world a better place.

You can't change the world. You can't change other people.

You can change yourself.

And even that is really, really hard.

Yes pgrundy, you are right and that what PC trys to support. But my point and even the point Sanada is trying to make is how we devide, and devide. My answer was that it comes from the begining of how are children of the world are raised.

Well, we certainly can't depend on government or politicians to do anything because they DEVIDE within their own families. There are many promenent people who cheat and divorce and the children, who talks about what happens to them? Are any of them here? And these people in high places get away with it, happens all the time.

Maybe it is just a dream. No, there has to be some type of system that is put in place to protect children. I think it is worse for children now than in the past. With all this technology, they don't get any real privacy from other children that may be mean because they have a parent issue.

And, we are only spending billions of dollars on the cleanup from the fallout of all this. When they talk about a magic pill, would it be for the parent? or the child? or both?

No, for now all we can do is greet every person that comes into PC with a HELP writen in their message and try to say, yeah, me too, I hear you, no, your not alone.

The meek shall inherit the earth? Maybe thats us?

Open Eyes

wow, thanx 4 the replys, this is food 4 thought. open-i'm with you, cycles can be broken, "a magic pill", wow, thats good, very good-whos it 4, the child or the parent (brilliant), fantastic stuff open. Open, "i" do the things that make me human, i try to enjoy life and to have fun(be it going out with m8s, or being online). I'm so sorry that you are trapped (at the moment), in an abusive home-life, you willl be free one day, you will break the cycle of the torment you're going through, then you'll be free to help others like you and me( me like, a while ago). Open, you can be anything you want to be, a priest, a politic person, a philosopher, a pyschologist, a doctor, anything you want to be. Cycles of pain can be broken. I'm sorry if this thread upset you, but i see too much pain, all i want to do is heal; and for me to heal i must heal myself first. I belive i'm getting there, but with your help, i think i will. Thanx 4 the input. Loves..sanada..x p.s -i still belive that borders should come down, then peoples pain is exposed(if they want it to be), then the ones who want/need help can recive it...x