[Foolish]

I think we should form small groups of people and call them something like say "Growth Groups" and get together one night a week in chat or something and hang out and talk and stuff. Anyone want to join one about suicide let me know. If not that's cool to. I know there is a weekly get together with DocJohn or whatever but I think we should have small groups and get tighter with each other... there is a problem with closeness on this site for quite a few of us as I've heard recently.

Anyway give me some feedback.

Ian

Death Calls Us All, How Long We Prolong It Is Our Choice

[darkeyes]

All I can say that I do not think the Doc wanted stuff about suicide as his disclaimer states, but then I think that may be something you can take up with him on that idea in a chat form.
But I do know if you read the home site or I think it is even on here that he says something about no suicide posts, don't know if it applies to what you are talking about, I'd suggest asking him. Also you may want to see the post he has pertaining to chat and rules.
I apologize for not really hitting on an exact answer, but chat is good for people to share support and stuff being more instant in replies than PM's.
Please take care.

In giving advice seek to help, not please your friend
SOLON

[Foolish]

I think by the "No Suicide Posts" he is implying that he doesn't want people posting saying things like "Well. I have this gun in my hand I am going to go die now. Goodbye cruel world" type posts. I have read those disclaimers you talked about and also if they would have had a problem with things it would have been other suicide posts. I just mean suicidal people get together and talk and try to understand it a bit better and what causes suicidal tendencies. I dunno I just want to feel common ground with some people and I think that this is a good way.

Ian

Death Calls Us All, How Long We Prolong It Is Our Choice

[darkeyes]

Yeah, that seems fine. And what you said is proabably what Doc meant, cause this system is not set up with a 911 dispatch to reach anyone in crisis.
Please take care

In giving advice seek to help, not please your friend
SOLON

[PlanningtoLive]

Perhaps Ian, you could focus more on overcoming thoughts of suicide? That would be far more beneficial than constantly discussing the downside.

I have been in the Psych ward myself not too long ago for trying to end my life. Every day is a struggle for me, and I'll be honest enough to say that if I get thru the holidays it will be a miracle.

I have no wish to dwell more on my urges than necessary as it would probably trigger things for me sooner than I anticipate.

You try and see what happens.........maybe you will have a few interested parties. I also believe that your remarks to DE were uncalled for and rude. Simply because you are on this site does not give you permission to act and speak however you choose regardless of other's feelings.

We are all in pain - in varying degrees. The idea here is to help each other feel better, not worse.

If you are mature enough and can think past yourself, you owe DE an apology and the rest of us for your language, censored or not.

Mary Alice

[Foolish]

Well well looks like you have fallen to the darkside after all. Apology my ***. Freedom of speech? Hum last time I checked I had that. You consider the way I talk on this site to be hostile, I feel the same way about a lot of people's posts but I don't go on and on about how their words have damaged my life and "Boo freaking who" is my opinion on this matter.

MAture, immature. I think using the whole idea of me being immature and you all being super mature is a ridiculous statement considering I'm 18 your 45 or something. Maturity is a funny way to try to insult people, I'm not buying it.

Ian

Death Calls Us All, How Long We Prolong It Is Our Choice

[SeptemberMorn]

DarkEyes, I think you are perfectly right! I think some people just like pushing the envelope to see how far they can get. How much clearer can the message get??

<center><font color=red>Mental Health >> Depression (info)No suicidal posts, please.</font color=red></center>

<font color=red>NO</font color=red> What's so hard to understand about that?? And if <font color=red>NO</font color=red> applies to posts, then logically it applies to chats, right?? The site IS NOT set up to deal with that issue.

He's making a list and checking it twice...

[darkeyes]

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[Foolish]

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[Sam]

I have an idea ...

This is a support forum, is it not? How about be supportive when posting or even better, if one can't be supportive - why post at all?

This isn't a forum to create friendships, althought several are forged here - mainly due to good and caring people. And it isn't the place to air personal likes and dislikes about others either.

I'm not the owner of this forum, nor a moderator, but this BS has gone on long enough. Apologies are due to Doc John (for this is his forum) and to every member here.

Freedom of speech? Well, I'm not sure one has that on the internet. I'm not all that sure either that this site is governed by American laws, although I suspect one could lay claim that if Doc John is an American and owns this forum it is under American laws.

Not even the United States Supreme Court is sure about how to enforce laws upon the internet I think, and therefore leave the rules and restrictions to the owners of these forums. And speaking of which, some of these are found in the FAQ's:

What's okay/not okay to post?

This is, first and foremost, a self-help support community. That means if your post isn't about offering support to another person or asking for it, it's potentially not appropriate for the forums.

Specifically prohibited from the forums:

Advertisements of any sort
Announcements of one's own Web site, new resource, or book
Announcements for research projects
Flames or messages meant to intimidate or harass others
Threatening messages
Messages containing suicidal threats or suicidal actions

The exception to this rule are the software support forums, which are meant to offer informal support for my open source software.

Let me repeat two of them: 1- Flames or messages meant to intimidate or harass others. (This would include telling another to kiss your ***) and 2 - Messages containing suicidal threats or suicidal actions.

Now, getting back to the Freedom of Speech thing. In America, one may have what is called Freedom of Speech, but again, that does not give one freedom to say anything they choose.

For example, if one were to be so stupid (yeah - that would be the right word) to threaten the President of the United States, verbally or in written form, they wouldn't be FREE very long. But if you really want to see how free you are to say whatever you like - enter a bank and announce it is a hold up, or board a plane and announce it is a hi-jacking, or eneter a police station and announce you intent to kill cops - and see how free you are.

If you are here for support and to hopefully receive help - then I hope you get it. However, honey always catched more flies than vinegar and your approach is very flawed. Posting to harass others and being hostile isn't the answer to healing.

Personally speaking - I'd rather not see such as I've seen here today. It isn't why I come, nor either, is it the reason the vast majority visit this forum.

Sam



"You'll never know what you're capable of if you don't try."

[Foolish]

I realize my wrong doings. I'll cut the BS.

Ian

Death Calls Us All, How Long We Prolong It Is Our Choice

[inkblot]

I just PM'd DocJohn about this whole thing. I do not like seeing unsupportive posts. We all first came here for support and insight. Yes, Freedom of Speech is one thing, but so is *RESPECT*.

I am sorry that so much has come from these posts. I am for the saying, "if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all." I do believe in honesty, and I do believe that regardless of one's own opinion, it is possible to be caring, supportive and respectful to others.

I have read some posts which reflect that, but I still think that we all might find a refresher course invaluable. I imagine that sometimes we don't even realize that what we say might be offensive to others, even though we may not have meant it that way. Maybe if we all brainstorm, we can come up with ideas to help?