[onionknight]

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/...mental_illness

Who else does this resonate with?

[Hellion]

Sounds intresting but I don't see how they can do much about it...there isn't really a way to make the students start including the outcast they hate. I mean even if I had, a therpist back then that had tried to effect that its not like people would have actually paid any mind. I have certianly experianced what isolation from the group does, with that same group taking it further and going out of their way to bother me much of the time.

I am just not sure what they could do to prevent that sort of thing.

[venusss]

I never understood how can you make experiments with mice that are relavent to the human psyche.

And d'oh at stress being a crazy maker. Do you really need a sciencey studies to show that?

[TheDragon]

Put any animal under extreme stress, especially while they're young, and they tend to be a bit screwy when they're older. I've worked with traumatized dogs and cats before. Is it any surprise that it'd be the same with humans, especially with a more complicated psyche?

But as Venus pointed out, it's a bit baffling how they can use mice to research the human mind. This certainly looks at the more basic biological factors, but at the end of the day can we really use any other animal for the basis of the human brain?

[Nomad17]

I saw something about this on the news today. It's pretty interesting, and slightly disconcerting considering I'm a 17 year old who is already dealing with depression including psychosis....it's true though, stress from school and social situations-especially isolation-is really awful and makes things volumes worse for me personally already. It's an awful thing, though, that my illness is why nobody wants to be around me and why I don't want to be around them. I've gotten kicked around pretty badly by kids at my school who found out about my illness, and of course that hasn't helped me much. I'm in therapy now, though, and I take medication, so who knows how I'll turn out? Time will tell for my generation, but I don't know how this could be changed or fixed.

We'll all go crazy in the end. Who's to say we aren't all already?

Nomad

[Open Eyes]

There is enough similarity to learn alot, but I agree with Venus and TheDragon, it is somewhat of a "no brainer" (no pun intended) to know that stressing/tramatizing young animals leads to an adult with problems/insecurities/higher levels of "sensitivities".

I have worked with "abused" horses, and while I can do alot for them, calm them down and teach them new skills they never forget their "abuse". However, they do get "attached to me" and often become "very loyal". I know they "appreciate" what I do for them, I have done it so much I am certain of it.

Open Eyes

[thickntired]

Originally Posted by Nomad17

I saw something about this on the news today. It's pretty interesting, and slightly disconcerting considering I'm a 17 year old who is already dealing with depression including psychosis....it's true though, stress from school and social situations-especially isolation-is really awful and makes things volumes worse for me personally already. It's an awful thing, though, that my illness is why nobody wants to be around me and why I don't want to be around them. I've gotten kicked around pretty badly by kids at my school who found out about my illness, and of course that hasn't helped me much. I'm in therapy now, though, and I take medication, so who knows how I'll turn out? Time will tell for my generation, but I don't know how this could be changed or fixed.

We'll all go crazy in the end. Who's to say we aren't all already?

Nomad

High School is a killer. IT DOES GET BETTER

[pachyderm]

Squeak!!!

[venusss]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Put any animal under extreme stress, especially while they're young, and they tend to be a bit screwy when they're older. I've worked with traumatized dogs and cats before. Is it any surprise that it'd be the same with humans, especially with a more complicated psyche?

But as Venus pointed out, it's a bit baffling how they can use mice to research the human mind. This certainly looks at the more basic biological factors, but at the end of the day can we really use any other animal for the basis of the human brain?

I take care of traumatized cat and he's very uncuddly and stiff and has nightmares and sleeps while standing...

but human trauma is often more complicated then weren't fed (hardly happens in the west anymore,unless extreme case of neglectful parents), weren't cuddled enough/hadn't had enough love (this one relates to humans most, but still for humans it's much much much more complicated) and were physically abused (again, can relate to humans, but hard to study emotional abuse in animals).

stress of post-industrial society often isn't in lack of something. It doesn't even come from "real" danger. But maybe situation where you cannot fight or flight is much more damaging, as we aren't equiped to deal with it. We are looking for answers by the same tools that are creating the problem.

[Hellion]

Originally Posted by thickntired

High School is a killer. IT DOES GET BETTER

Ideally.

[Nomad17]

Originally Posted by thickntired

High School is a killer. IT DOES GET BETTER

Thanks for the encouragement. Half a year left!

Nomad

[Perna]

Originally Posted by Open Eyes

There is enough similarity to learn alot, but I agree with Venus and TheDragon, it is somewhat of a "no brainer" (no pun intended) to know that stressing/tramatizing young animals leads to an adult with problems/insecurities/higher levels of "sensitivities".

I do not think it is a given/no-brainer and like they have tested a connection. If one has support somewhere and/or is taught stress management techniques as one is growing up, etc. then the chemicals/hormones are not going to change in the same way as if one is not.

Mice are fine to use, not like mother mice are going to teach them ahead of time how to deal with constant swimming over time with no way to rest :-) changing their chemicals/hormones is "easier" to see how it affects their behavior, etc.

We could probably better moderate the release of stress chemicals/hormones and/or check the adrenals in puberty (I have an adrenal incidentaloma I had to see an endocrinologist and he taught me signs to look for if it was causing problems but who knows, I was over 50 when they found it, perhaps it formed/influenced my teen years which influenced my adult years, etc.