Arch Angels, Ghosts, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster

I need to be tormented, it is a way of living for me. Things must be taken seriously whenever I **** something up. Humiliation is the only way for me to understand consequences of my own actions.

I do not need to be freed, and I have a good feeling that I will know what the story will be about. It is all the same! Everyone says that they need to be exorcised.

Besides, I know that "god" is an unforgiving bastard.

Wow, I have seen it all now! lol! TY Maven

Did she ever take you, there, and did you sign the 'book'?

KrasnoiZvezdy,

I have had my own Hell vision. I only go there, IF, I end it, myself.

She made me sign a contract, and she was smiling as I "signed" that contract.

I believe in the spirituality of the universe. As in somedays, I feel like there are moments in life, where sensing the presence of God in the universe exists. I believe there are those in this world more in tune with the spiritual realm than others. If God exists, so must satan. And, angels and ghosts/spirits. Not entirely fascinated by this stuff. I've had some pretty bizarre dreams. Had one, guided through Hell, I was looking for someone. Had some pretty bizarre moments in life, where it really makes me stop and wonder. LIttle things, such as the moment my son finished a presentation report of Ben Franklin and *boom* thunder and lightning strike. Head scratching moments, that leave me renewed in Faith.

I feel, if there are those believe there are things that exist, that are bigger than themselves, it's about bringing something to believe in.

Well, if that's where your soul belongs, then that is where your soul belongs.

I must have been there to many times, if one were to believe in past lives, and reincarnation, that I feel I was finally released from that one place.
The Devil kicked me out...so to speak...

And while you are on Earth, your demon guide plans to torment you? What is in store, in the afterlife, if all the torture is happening here?

As to all the "Hell" talk, I have a lot to contribute to that due to my twisted hyper-religious upbringing. I was raised to believe that God was a super being always waiting for me to mess up ready to instantly send me to hell forever through invisible trap doors more or less. I have since found this utterly and completely false. Weather or not you believe in God or Hell, that kind of negative belief is not conducive to legitimate spiritual growth.

Needless to say it sparked a relentless curiosity for me to find "Truth". Both my parents have since become exposed as nothing more than manipulative, vindictive child abusers who used the Bible and all things religious to control others (including all of their children), instill terror, and work their way to "Heaven" and self glory. HYPOCRiTES! All such tactics have now been recognized by me and rejected utterly. This is not to say that I have rejected God in any way! I agree with you Healingtimes, I believe that Hell is NOT permanent for those who experience it and I'll tell you why.

I have studied the Bible from the first word to the last word. I have read it through and through. I have studied the Strong's concordance in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Although I did not attend most of what Americans call "Elementary" school, or high school, I did take a 1 year course on the Bible when I was 19 (I'm 28 now). I've visited various congregations of many religions and faiths. I have an unshuttable open mind. I have read 2 rather large and reputable books written by folks who claim they actually went to Hell, and I believe them. I have researched Near-Death experiences from all around the world. Guess what? Everyone who ever encountered "Hell"....GOT OUT. It was never permanent.

Suicide attempts, people who died while high or drunk, buddhists, muslims, christians, atheists, children, adolescents, adults, seniors, black, white red and yellow, the majority (90%) ALL WENT TO A PLACE OF PEACE, which some call Heaven or a Good Place in the Cosmos. All were taken care of. All did not want to come back here because it was sooo good! This leads me to believe that our simple human thoughts and beliefs here in this realm are NOT capable of determining what ultimately happens to our consciousnesses after our physical body dies here. We are just not in control of that crap, and for good reason! If we were in control of that, we would be damning so many good people to "Hell", even going there ourselves because we feel guilty or unworthy of peace and Light. Here is a good website that I frequently read if you are curious as to how I came to this conclusion which is far from what was drilled into me as a child:

IANDS - the most reliable source of information on NDEs

All seekers shall find. That's all I have to say about that and I hope we can return this conversation back to what the thread was intended for instead of focusing on Hell and hopeless eternally permanent damnation. Thanks. Yours truly, Lightbulb7Seven

Well, I will just have to be put to work when I get there.

I've had some personal spiritual experiences that make me wonder in the unseen and unexplainable. Some days I do believe in the supernatural. Other days I believe that science just hasn't explained it yet. My mental illness started with hyper-religiosity and having spiritual visions of angels and demons and I wasn't even really religious back then. So I question if it was all real when the doctors told me I was hallucinating and having delusions. In fact they said I had a psychotic break with reality. So I'm careful before I put my eggs in one basket and believe in the supernatural, because for me it's what got me sick.

*trigger for talk of suicide*

no. no one needs to be tormented. things can be taken seriously whenever you mess up without this sort of torment and humiliation. demons lie pretty much 24/7. don't believe their b.s.

you probably do know what the story will be about.

really? lol. most people i know are in denial about it and think this stuff is a bit nuts. i rather think it's a bit nuts myself even though i experienced it.

nah. anyway, here is one of my stories of dealing with supernatural beings:

when i was 15 i went through my first major depression and it lasted for 1 1/2 years. i never thought about suicide or had any suicidal thoughts fortunately. that just wasn't something that i would have ever considered. at one point i just sort of snapped out of the depression and decided i was going to have a good year my senior year of high school. my snapping out of it did happen shortly after i'd had a supernatural encounter but it wasn't with an angel or demon but actually with God. i'm not going to go into the details of that as it is kind of personal. anyway, my senior year started and i'm doing much better, and despite all it was a good year, but all of a sudden my group of friends start attempting suicide like crazy. that was pretty awful especially since we were just an average, normal clique not some out-there group. although, i did grow up in a really screwy town with outrageous expectations both academically and socially. the pressures to conform and perform were nuts.

a few years later my problems reared their ugly head again and i was battling major depression again. i eventually dropped out of a very good college and this time i did have suicidal thoughts & desires. it was pretty scary actually, went on for years and it was probably the darkest time i've ever been through. i thought about ending my life many times and even came up with a plan or two. much later i ended up going with a friend to a conference where they pray for healing and cast out demons and you could volunteer to receive prayer and kind of be a guinea pig for others to learn from as they watch and pray along as well. somehow i ended up getting a private prayer session with this really nice couple and they started identifying all sorts of demonic stuff including a demon of suicide. honestly, i wasn't sure much of anything had been resolved when i left as i didn't really feel much different altho i knew stuff was happening in the prayer time as i could feel the demonic spirits swirling around me. ick! well, a week later my major depression had totally disappeared and all the suicidal thoughts & feelings left completely. the depression does come back at times, because those demonic suckers are persistent, but it doesn't last long at all anymore and the suicidal stuff was just gone. considering how much i struggled with this all through my 20s and even in my 30s this really was amazing.

i later read in a book by the APA (american psychological association) that when one is exposed to the suicide of others then it is more likely it can happen to you if you already have struggles with depression. sadly, 2 of my friends in high school did end up committing suicide, one after numerous attempts, and another friend of mine who attempted many times is the only one who didn't succeed out of 7 others. she, like me, found help through her faith. unfortunately, one of her close family members did take his life. i do believe that spirits of suicide (demons) were definitely released spiritually back at that time in my town as there were a total of 6 people that i knew who eventually committed suicide from there plus my friend who attempted many times but is now okay. it is pretty much a miracle that i am still around myself and never even attempted with all the struggles i've had. it hasn't been a cake walk since then and i've battled plenty of other evil spirits since then, but i've had many supernatural experiences and know ultimately who's got the power (that dude with the long hair who walked on water.)

I need to be punished for the things I have done throughout my life.
I do not even deserve to be living.

What, possibly, could you have done, that is deserving of such punishment?

Why wouldn't you deserve to be amongst the living?

What does she look like? Can you put it, to words?

I can respect that. It sounds like a moderate approach, considering how certain religions profess about the 'unseen', and a certain 'figure' having descended to Hell for three days, before arising. I can respect how the scientific approach, is evidence based, and cultural values don't often fulfill the 'proof' aspect.

And some times, culturally, the pendulum swings too far, the other way, leaving some of us to try and rectify what is truth, fiction, and what our own beliefs are, even if contrary to what we were raised to believe.

It is because I am stupid, and I do not do anything to make myself useful for human society.

Well, Mariah use to wear a red dress and always had her hair tied back.

She then was sick and tired of her look, so she decided to wear provocative clothing (as what a modern Succubus would wear to attract men.) and let her hair hang loose.

Mariah is 6ft 5in., but wears boots that make her 3 inches taller. She is very curvy, and her bust size is a G. She has long, shaggy, and wildly curly black hair. Her eyes are green with a redish hue around her pupils.

Look now where i am now writing this-in the bewitching hour 3:00

kz, have you actually done bad things (e.g. violent criminal acts) or is it that you just think you are stupid and haven't done anything significant yet for society? those are kind of vastly different things. and, if you've done something bad you certainly don't need to tell us what, but are we talking cheating on your SATs bad, stealing life savings from old people bad, or killing innocent children bad? since you're only 16 how much could you possibly have contributed to society at that age? not much for 99.9999% of 16 year olds.

I have done bad things!

I caused a strain in my mother's relationship.

Everytime I am with someone my behavior always makes them upset.

They are always angry, frustrated and disappointed. Then they do not even want to be around me, which I understand.

I do not get why people always "have" to try and help me when I tell them what's going on. I never said I wanted help.

All I want is for them to listen and to understand.

If there is a strain in your mother's relationships, that's her problem.
If people don't know how to treat you, as to not cause your anger or whatever triggers your 'behavior' to shine through, that is their problem.
And, if one feels that they don't contribute to society, there's plenty of volunteer opportunities. NO sense in being a victim of circumstance.

Very bad things? You don't torture animals, do you?

If you want listening and understanding, this actually happens to be a thread where people aren't trying to 'help', they are trying to understand; and by asking questions, as IRL, it's about listening.

I, for one, am trying to figure out what type of demon is attacking you. They attack when people are vulnerable, so the legends go.

Folks, because this thread doesn't really seem to be helping -- and the member says they specifically don't want support (and, well, we're a support forum) -- we're going to go ahead and close this thread.

We're not really in a position to offer help to someone possessed with demons, other than to suggest they should seek out immediate assistance from their local community.

Best,
DocJohn