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Although you can get these supplements over the counter, I always recommend doing this under the care of a physician, since supplements can have side effects and risks and can interact with other medications.)
5-HTP 50-300 mg up to three times/day — start at 50mg in the morning. Converts directly into serotonin. If you are taking too much, you will feel sleepy or have runny stools. Also usually helps with anxiety, although sometimes it can paradoxically cause anxiety. Must use with great caution if you’re taking an anti-depressant. St. John’s Wort 300mg three times/day. If you don’t feel better within a week, slowly increase your dose to a max of 600mg three times/day. May decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. SAMe 200mg on an empty stomach twice/day. Increase your dose every two weeks to a maximum dose of 600mg twice daily. This can be a very effective antidepressant, but it can also be expensive. Side effects at higher doses include GI upset, nausea, agitation, and insomnia. L-Theanine 100-600mg daily. Reduce if you feel sleepy. Found in green tea. Fish oil (DHA/EPA) 1-3 g/day with food. |
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Exercise is the best thing that I've discovered that improves my mood. I feel relaxed and focused after I swim 1/2 hr. 4-5x a week. If I could feel like that 24/7 I would be a very productive and content person.
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Hey cool, I love exercise as well, but the endorphin high for me is very short lived.
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From what I've researched really only the principal difference is it takes longer to kick in then modafinil, this is due to the extra step of the body converting adrafinil in vivo to modafinil... the end product that the body produces is modafinil. Quoting Wikipedia: "Adrafinil is a prodrug; it is primarily metabolized in vivo to modafinil, resulting in nearly identical pharmacological effects. Unlike modafinil, however, it takes time for the metabolite to accumulate to active levels in the bloodstream. Effects usually are apparent within 45–60 minutes when taken orally on an empty stomach."Have you looked into the Nuvigil / Provigil Patient Assistance Program? Apparently they provide free medications for low incomes, all the way up to $32,670 a year! I just filled out an application myself, here is the link to the PDF application: http://www.cephaloncares.com/PDF/Fou...ithNuvigil.pdf Normally what I do to save money is have the doctor write the prescription precisely as follows: Rx: one half to one 200 mg tablet modafinil every morning by mouth.Based on the cost analysis I did above, I'll be switching to adrafinil if I can't get on Cephalon's Patient Assistance Program, simply due to the fact that paying for adrafinil out of pocket is significantly cheaper then my copay for prescription Provigil or Nuvigil. Last edited by nbritton; Jan 19, 2014 at 07:09 PM. |
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"In response to accumulating evidence of adverse effects and deaths related to ephedra, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) banned the sale of ephedra-containing supplements on April 12, 2004. The sale of ephedra-containing dietary supplements is currently illegal in the United States because of the high risk of ephedra-related adverse events." |
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My psychiatrist recently recommended this. Do you find it really helps with anxiety?
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I have never tried Ephedra, nor do I have any reason to believe it's worth trying. Moreover, recommending it to others, with the full knowledge that it's illegal, could result in a claim of negligence and/or malfeasance. Ephedra is used to produce methamphetamine. I'm not having any part of that. |
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I don't know if ephedra is ephedrine but that and psuedoephedrine is used to make meth but it's also sold in nasal decongestants and.. Tylenol Cough And Cold? Here in canada anyways. But I don't take tylenol ever. bad for the liver.
Phynlepherine is a substitute that they put in drinks for colds as a substitute for psuedoephedrine because they thought people make meth from it but it turns out that meth production increased because psuedoephedrine was not the source. I have tried it for hey fever and it is good for my eyes and throat but most people online say that it does nothing for a blocked nose so its useless basically. Adranifil is unregulated in Canada but you can't buy it at any pharmacy just a research chemical. And it's really really bad for you apparently. From what I've read, ephedrine is better than psuedoephedrine because it causes less jetters and anxiety. The next best would be caffeine and they are all basically the same with effects. I saw that beta-phenylethylamine is a supplement and was surprised because I think that is used to make amphetamine and meth. But it's used by body builders and others because it helps you lose appetite (stimulant effects) to lose weight and causes a euphoric effect. I wouldn't call it a supplement but a drug.. but apparently it occurs naturally in the body. I'm just guessing from little things I have read i could be wrong. |
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I've read that Adranifil is very tough on the liver and shouldn't be taken for more than three months consecutively.
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Does5-HTP 50-300 enter act to increase uptake with Cymbalta?
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These natural supplements are very similar to so many prescription meds. I'm curious what the advantage is to using CNS stimulants like ephedra as opposed to scripted one? in the us at least, the prescription stimulants are cheaper if you have insurance and at least a little safer because the FDA regulates them. So I'm wondering why you'd rather go with ephedra when the side effects can be harsh, especially the heart related ones.I took it a few times and I felt like my heart was going to jump out of my chest. The anxiety was intense too.
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![]() As you can see, the only difference is the NH-OH vs NH2 group. If Adranifil is tough on the liver, then so is Modafinil, but according to NIH's LiverTox Site Modifinal has not been implicated in cases of clinically apparent acute liver injury. Do you have any references for Adranifil? |
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Couldn't help but to chime in here....
I noticed one of you concerned about paying for the provigil or nuvigil. For me, my insurance cost was over $100.00 which I couldn't afford. I went to the Nuvigil website (nuvigil.com) and they have a coupon that is good for a year so you can get it for free the first time and $5.00 copay there after. I hope it works for you. My body does very well on amphetamines--I also take 40 mg Dexedrine a day, besides the nuvigil. It's the greatest anti-depressant my doctor and I could find for me. I was basically treatment resistant before this. And no, I am not flying all day either. In fact, it makes me feel at a very even keel (perhaps some of my other psych meds balance this out as they are sedating). Good luck and let us know. |
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Therefore, if you decide to try a zinc supplement to alleviate depression, zinc mono-L-monomethionine (a/k/a L-OptiZinc, zinc L-methionine, et al.) is your best bet. The recommend dose is 30mg/daily for adults. However, zinc has an extremely long biological half life in the body (often quoted at 9 months). So in order to see immediate effects you will likely need to take a loading dose. In theory, I would start with 90mg/daily for one week, then 60mg/daily for one month, and then 30mg/daily thereafter. Zinc mono-l-methionine can be found under the brand name L-OptiZinc, various manufacturers sell this "L-OptiZinc" formulation. Please take note that the bottle needs to say L-OptiZinc, and not OptiZinc, as "OptiZinc" is a racemic mixture of d/l-methionine; d-methionine cannot be utilized by the body. Here is a link to the stuff on amazon: Amazon.com: l-optizinc - Zinc / Minerals: Health & Personal Care References: [0]: L-OptiZinc Research Overview [1]: Zinc! An Antidepressant? | Psychology Today [2]: Effects of Zinc Supplementation in Patients with Major Depression: A Randomized Clinical Trial [3]: Role of S-adenosyl-l-methionine in the treatment of depression: a review of the evidence [4]: Oxidation of Methionine in Proteins: Roles in Antioxidant Defense and Cellular Regulation [5]: Oxidative stress markers in affective disorders [6]: Sulfur in Human Nutrition and Applications in Medicine [7]: Zinc Treatment for Acne Last edited by nbritton; Mar 22, 2014 at 12:13 AM. |
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SAME made me manic. I prefer Lamictal.
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Guarana is natural stimulant that gets one out of the lows and gets you the kick. It is quite powerful for a herb.
you can overdose on it though, especially in the extract/pill form and it has abuse potential.
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I know that it has a high concentration of caffeine. Otherwise is it any different from coffee and/or caffeine pills?
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