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Old Sep 22, 2014, 08:07 AM
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Just want to let you know though, a person is not truly considered "incompetent" if they have bipolar. So many people have it that are extremely functional and responsible. But I understand how at the time you had these feelings, that is more typical however with PTSD.
*raises hand* I'm fully functional and responsible! In fact, I'm one of the most responsible people I know If someone was to call me incompetent, I'd be deeply hurt and likely cut off all contact with them for having so much prejudice - and clearly they didn't know me one iota!

Your family and that one doctor are indeed quacks Those of us with bipolar and other diagnoses are not quacks Simply definition to keep in mind, haha!
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Old Sep 22, 2014, 09:00 AM
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*raises hand* I'm fully functional and responsible! In fact, I'm one of the most responsible people I know If someone was to call me incompetent, I'd be deeply hurt and likely cut off all contact with them for having so much prejudice - and clearly they didn't know me one iota!

Your family and that one doctor are indeed quacks Those of us with bipolar and other diagnoses are not quacks Simply definition to keep in mind, haha!
You know what, I think it's pretty ironic that "we are the crazy ones". I've met a lot of really interesting people on this journey. They fall across the spectrum in terms of their mental health. Some of them, frankly, scared me. There was one guy in the day hospital program who liked to talk a lot about guns and the fact that they had to terminate him from his job (it was a really lucrative blue collar automative job) because of implied threats to supervisors. One day, he and the other two guys in the program at that time I were in the "relaxation room" prior to the waste of time "relaxation therapy" session, and he whipped out his cell phone and played a sound bite - bang bang bang - it was gunshots he had recorded. Scared the three of us, and I went to the program nurse after and said "I know you can't discuss other patients with me because of HIPPA, but I want you to know that X is doing and saying ...." It was scary. Worse case scenario.

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Old Sep 22, 2014, 10:18 AM
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I've also met some people who are "very high functioning" as they call it. My current psych wanted me to attend a group therapy session for working professionals, but ironic, it was held in the middle of the day (weird, huh) on Thursdays. So I just couldn't do it time-wise. I've met various people who do have "normal" lives despite various conditions, bipolar or depression or whatever.

Then, there are the "famous" examples, like the schizophrenic law professor Elyn Saks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/op...upid.html?_r=0

When I found this article, I must have read it two dozen times on the spot - it gave me a lot of hope to think that someone could be very successful despite a pretty serious condition.

I have to do this in shifts today, I'm in the middle of a big project.
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Old Sep 25, 2014, 01:57 AM
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FFS. The police have a registry of mentally people so they dont mistake them for smartasses drugged beyond pain and shoot them dead or break their teeth out.

It's not healthy to identify with any diagnosis, anyway.
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Old Sep 25, 2014, 03:52 AM
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Well, that is the legal theory. Of course, I fixate on the worst cases - we have had a couple here in the past few years. Shootings by cops of unarmed mentally ill, and one just last week strangled in a chokehold at a mall.

I don't know how to not identify with PTSD or fixate and flee from bipolar.
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Old Sep 25, 2014, 04:18 AM
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Johnny, I think it is important for me to have a 'diagnosis' that works for me, because then I can find the best way forward to make a difference and improve my situation. When I disagreed with my 'diagnosis' my new T at the time actually agreed and we got it changed. He was already planning in his head the treatment and we continue to discuss it going forward.

I refuse to even think about alternatives....what is the point? I completely understand your fears, but hun, you are worrying about something that is not actually happening. Focus on the facts. You have a PTSD diagnosis, you are working with a trauma specialist, you will over time improve. Who cares one bit if it may 'look' like another diagnosis......seriously half of the bloody DSM could apply in parts to most anyone if you really wanted it to.

You deserve to have peace in the now......tell that negative committee that meets in your head to sit down and shut up and allow to just do today! You need and deserve this.

(I do know that is a huge ask, I struggle to not worry, it is part of our common struggle with PTSD, but seize as many of those moments as you can..ok?)
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Old Sep 25, 2014, 05:11 PM
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Yes, you are right about the DSM - sometimes I think it is meaningless, the emperor 's new clothes. Because there are essentially the same symptoms for so many disorders as you point out. Gee, depression, anxiety, irritability, insomnia - which of the 498 disorders that all share those are we talking about?

Plus there is nothing objective, they can't draw blood or put an endoscope in or do an MRI and diagnose any of this stuff right now. So it is just the opinions of the so-called experts, and those opinions shift like sand dunes in the Sahara.

Right now I don't deserve today. I had a bad turn of events, I know I will get over it, but it throws me back to the 15 year old trembling, choking back tears while his father screams at him.
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Old Sep 25, 2014, 06:52 PM
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Johnny I do hope all is well and other too significant has happened. I also hope it will resolve in an easier fashion than you may now feel.

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Old Sep 25, 2014, 07:07 PM
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Thank you, Jane. Ditto.
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Old Oct 12, 2014, 09:17 PM
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"Everybody Knows" - The Dixie Chicks

Tell me now if you came sneaking up behind
Would you know me and see behind the smile
I can change like colors on a wall
Hoping no one else will find what lies beneath it all
I think I hide it all so well

...

You say I'll pay the price
That's the chance that I'll take
Though you may think I'm telling lies
But I just call it getting by


Ok, the Dixie Chicks quote actually isn't relevant - I was gonna post about lying about MI, but changed my mind and went for bigger fish.

What if I were bipolar?

I have spent two bloody miserable years doing everything in my power to escape that diagnosis. I hated it. It terrified me. I staunchly denied it, and actively sought out confirmation of the fact I was not from any who would listen.

What if I were? Where would that leave me?

Would it be the death sentence I feared it to be? Back to square one with a diagnosis, a label, mood stabilizers?

Back to the dock to endgame, and go through with it this time?

Or could I somehow face it, accept it, and go on?
You would not necessarily need medications, if the illness is relatively mild or you may just opt to take them when you experience depression and/or mania. Having Bipolar doesn't keep you from leading a functional life. There are definitely much worse mental health issues out there to have than having Bipolar at a low level
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Old Oct 14, 2014, 05:04 PM
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Then you would have a diagnosis of bipolar instead of PTSD.

You would still be MowtownJohnny, the same person inside and out. It would not define you. You would still ride your bike, go to work and do a fantastic job, you would take care of yourself, your home, your health, your dog and live successfully.

You would take the appropriate medication and live your life to the full, as you wish to do.

Why do you feel the need to have a label determine your possibilities in life? Determine your chances at achieving the fulfilling life you wish to live? You are so much more than your diagnosis!

(Sorry if that comes across as snappy, it is not my intention. I am in a bit of a grumpy mood after putting up with poor behaviour of classmates! Grrrr)
Not necessarily INSTEAD of PTSD. Some of us have both. And then some.

I did a little research and discovered most people who have panic attacks are bipolar, too. Statistics range from 60 to 80%, depending on what you're reading.
Those two disorders frequently travel together.

I agree totally with the rest of this post. The way I look at it, I've been this way most of my life, way before the labels.
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