[SleepsWithButterFlies]

I know is use for seizures but wasnt it used for sleep too?????? wayyy back???

[lenjan]

They gave it to me for seizures when I was a kid. Started VERY young, like, before age 3, and kept on it until I finally came up with a normal EEG at age 18.

At age 23 or so, I saw an article in the newspaper about a new study of phenobarbital, and how it was SO not recommended for use in anyone under 18, because it caused a 30-40 point drop in IQ and increased the risk of learning disabilities.

At age 31, having been blown off by every educator, ever, when I tried to tell them about my trouble with math, I went and had some testing done by the educational psychs at the university I was attending in an attempt to finish my bachelor's. At the end of a month of testing, the head of the department came in to give me the results. He said in 30 years in the profession, he had never seen ANYONE with such an enormous gap between their mathematical and verbal skills, at least not anyone with an above-average IQ.

The damn dean still made me take algebra, even though I had a 4.0, had already received a full scholarship to graduate school, and would never use algebra, ever, the rest of my life. This was in spite of the head of the ed psych department personally asking her to let me out of the requirement.

I took the damn stuff 3 times a day till I was 10, then just once at bedtime till I went off it. I don't remember if it made me sleepy, but I do know I would definitely find something else to use for sleep. Even Tylenol PM. I think phenobarb has even fallen out of favor for use in controlling seizures. I know you're over 18, and I know I have a definite bias, but I still won't recommend it to anyone. We'll see what Larry says.

Candy

Candy

[SleepsWithButterFlies]

thanks Candy I just wanna use it for sleep ..I do not have seizures but I know thats why they give it and I am BLESS you over 21

[lenjan]

hehe, when people ask how old I am, I say, "somewhere between 21 and death."

Yup. They will help you sleep for sure.

[Larry_Hoover]

My gramma had it on her night stand. Never drank, but....

I think it's really addicting. Another is that it has a narrow therapeutic index. That's the ratio between a dose that will cause your death, and the dose that will treat you. Drugs with low TIs are generally disfavoured automatically. Some doctors won't prescribe it, even as a last resort after all other meds have failed.

Lar

[SleepsWithButterFlies]

Thanks all...Candy I shall now use that line for my age I love it

Larry I am guessing you then would not think it wise to add to my Ambein, Neutontin and Valium at bedtime? I do not always sleep with all of that and am anti AP for sleep

[brianm101]

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hehe, when people ask how old I am, I say, "somewhere between 21 and death."

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I am going to use that one. Sorry sleeps but it is mine now. I always said that I quit aging after 21 and now I have a new one. Thanks Candybear.

[Larry_Hoover]

No, I don't think you'll find anyone who will *add* phenobarbital to your current cocktail. In place of both ambien and valium, maybe. But not on top of those. The risk of respiratory depression is probably the biggest issue. Stopping breathing isn't a good idea.

To get to phenobarbital, as an option, I think you're going to have to go through the APs. I don't think you'll get around them.

Lar

Sleeps-- seen a lot of near fatal misses with this drug, if ya catch my drift.

[SleepsWithButterFlies]

Thanks Petunia and Larry I will PM you on it more but ummm

Brian get your mitts off my saying