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Old Nov 05, 2013, 08:36 AM
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Absolutely disagree, all that is on her profile can be treated very effectively with the right therapy. Meds are not the answer to every mental illness.
She is in therapy her therapist wants her on meds if you follow the thread. I agree with the therapist, and that's a first for me I think therapist are a waste of space and cash cows off the vulnerable . I have never known a therapist say don't come back your cured if you are paying or your insurance is. In England NHS therapy is free so its sit down , talk crap for 1 hour and goodbye NEXT

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Old Nov 05, 2013, 09:03 AM
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Make me like myself, give me drive, passion, enthusiasm to make something of myself......give me strength to take risks and step outside my bubble....give me sense of peace and happiness.....help me feel empathy and sympathy and stop me being envious of everyone around me...will it make me have a drive for life and jump out of bed in the morning grateful for being alive......will it stop me from wanting to slap people across the face, will it make me want to go hang out and make friends, will it make me want to live to a ripe old age instead of hoping I die everyday? Will it?
No, perception and personality is as of yet not available in pill form.



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Bulimia, Complex PTSD, BPD..........still in a much better place in my mind then I was a year ago.
Idk about the other dx's but sometimes BPD is treated with mood stabilizers to help with the ever changing moods and dull the emotional responses to them.

Maybe you and your T should be trying a different form of therapy. DBT is very good for BPD and can help with negative perceptions and thought processes.

Meds have helped me during crisis, and I would go back on them if I deem it neccessary, but they in no way perform magic tricks.

I think you could definitly benefit from the right type of therapy and medication. Thing is, you need to have reasonable expectations from meds. They can lift you out of a depression, curb rage responses, sedate you, calm anxiety, quieten your mind, but they can't give you a new mindset.

That is something that you need to work on via manual labour.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 09:06 AM
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Make me like myself, give me drive, passion, enthusiasm to make something of myself......give me strength to take risks and step outside my bubble....give me sense of peace and happiness.....help me feel empathy and sympathy and stop me being envious of everyone around me...will it make me have a drive for life and jump out of bed in the morning grateful for being alive......will it stop me from wanting to slap people across the face, will it make me want to go hang out and make friends, will it make me want to live to a ripe old age instead of hoping I die everyday? Will it?
Depends on the medication and diagnosis. Sounds like you just need to work on yourself for a while. Also forgive yourself, those are very human thoughts.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 12:24 PM
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No, perception and personality is as of yet not available in pill form. )



Idk about the other dx's but sometimes BPD is treated with mood stabilizers to help with the ever changing moods and dull the emotional responses to them.

Maybe you and your T should be trying a different form of therapy. DBT is very good for BPD and can help with negative perceptions and thought processes.

Meds have helped me during crisis, and I would go back on them if I deem it neccessary, but they in no way perform magic tricks.

I think you could definitly benefit from the right type of therapy and medication. Thing is, you need to have reasonable expectations from meds. They can lift you out of a depression, curb rage responses, sedate you, calm anxiety, quieten your mind, but they can't give you a new mindset.

That is something that you need to work on via manual labour.
This is a very true statement
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 12:31 PM
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Depends on the medication and diagnosis. Sounds like you just need to work on yourself for a while. Also forgive yourself, those are very human thoughts.
You have to be really bad mentally for med relief , other wise you will give up the first week the start up alone is no picnic , people who are ready for meds don't need to ask , THEY KNOW
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 02:41 PM
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I disagree with all.

If I have the opposite of BPD, I should be able to treat it. Antidepressants wont work though. Something like gabapentin, MAOI's, maybe tricyclics, certain stimulants (Methylphenidate makes it worse for me though). Pain meds at moderate doses. Actually, a lot of things at moderate doses. ECT as well

The most reliable are recreational drugs such as marajuana or psychedelics. Most are not harmful especially if given to you by a pharmacy. Psychedelics are the absolute cure to OCD if anyone doesn't know but they are hidden away from the public, the sufferers of this illness because oooh they might get abused.. we rather have the person suffer if therapy doesn't work and let the patient waste away.

Psychiatrist: "Sorry there's nothing I can do for you". Burn in hell you didn't even refer me to other treatments I will not go die in a corner somewhere or maybe I have to
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 02:57 PM
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Please do tell what is the opposite of BPD... I really want that.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 03:09 PM
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Absolutely disagree, all that is on her profile can be treated very effectively with the right therapy. Meds are not the answer to every mental illness.
You have 3 major disorder,s yourself not everyone can afford therapy . OCD i was cured with meds , ANXIETY held at bay with meds , tried CBT total waste off time, BIPOLAR good luck on that life time illness without meds , you carnt think your way out of bipolar .If therapy has worked on your 3 illness why are you still here posting, I am hear because med,s glues me and millions together and stop us dying, by slowing our damaged brains before we implode to help us see through the fog and dispair our lives were before them.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 03:18 PM
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The reason why I question meds is because since I have not binged/purged in 3 weeks or self harmed or am not suicidal every single day my health insurance has decided that they will only pay for a 45 min weekly session and would consider longer if I saw a psychiatrist. They have no interest in how else I function as long as I am not hurting myself or others. So I get punished for progressing even though I do not feel like I am in recovery just in a safer place. I can not get anything done in 45 min because it takes me, always, 15 just to get comfortable to talk and then when I finally get into something he has to cut me short so not to go over 45 min. I guess insurance feels they would have to pay less if they drug me. So I have left messages with two psychiatrist. Lord only knows when they will call me back. I will go and then pretend to take the damn medication.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 03:25 PM
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I'm in a similar situation, tomorrow I will pretend to want their meds so I can see a damn T... Free Clinic doesn't allow unmedicated therapy

I hear your frustration Moxi
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 05:33 PM
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The reason why I question meds is because since I have not binged/purged in 3 weeks or self harmed or am not suicidal every single day my health insurance has decided that they will only pay for a 45 min weekly session and would consider longer if I saw a psychiatrist. They have no interest in how else I function as long as I am not hurting myself or others. So I get punished for progressing even though I do not feel like I am in recovery just in a safer place. I can not get anything done in 45 min because it takes me, always, 15 just to get comfortable to talk and then when I finally get into something he has to cut me short so not to go over 45 min. I guess insurance feels they would have to pay less if they drug me. So I have left messages with two psychiatrist. Lord only knows when they will call me back. I will go and then pretend to take the damn medication.
They will extend the minutes, if you see, a psychiatrist? No harm, in telling the pdoc, hey, can we hold off on meds, a little longer, and keep going back, every few weeks, if it will increase the number of minutes, in talk therapy?

And, if and when, you even decide on meds, then you have a pdoc?!

I know, my pdoc, will not 'force' a drug on me, against my will. Thanks g-d for that!!!
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 06:05 PM
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The last few posts are representing a very messed up and corrupt process. You need to get some lawyers into this but no one has the money.

Save up and pay for a psychologist/therapist because if you have to buy meds to see a free one, it will add up in the end and will actually be more that paying for a psychologist/therapist because who gets better in even a few months worth of sessions?
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 06:07 PM
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Please do tell what is the opposite of BPD... I really want that.
Emotionless. I feel dead. Meds that I have tried made it much worse.
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 06:20 PM
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Emotionless. I feel dead. Meds that I have tried made it much worse.
Thanks for clarifying, on second thought I don't want that, didn't enjoy it when I had it. I quite like my emotions, they're familiar. I just hate the paranoid thought processes and outbursts that accompant the BPD....
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Old Nov 05, 2013, 06:36 PM
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The last few posts are representing a very messed up and corrupt process. You need to get some lawyers into this but no one has the money.

Save up and pay for a psychologist/therapist because if you have to buy meds to see a free one, it will add up in the end and will actually be more that paying for a psychologist/therapist because who gets better in even a few months worth of sessions?
Insurance, isn't free.

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Old Nov 06, 2013, 10:30 AM
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It seems the a real problem here is that we, as those who suffer from these illnesses, aren't getting to choose the direction of our care. Choice, self-determination and owning one's successes/ decisions, etc is a huge part of recovery and healthy functioning. People who make informed choices and are true partners in their care have the best outcomes.
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Old Nov 06, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Alriiiight, I'm understanding the post a bit more now considering the context... It really sucks that you have to see a psychiatrist just to see the therapist more!! What ********, in my opinion. I mean... If you really need to make this work, medication could always take the edge off. But if you don't want to have to do that, I've personally found a lot of help from books & just from posting in the forums around here. Making friends, etc. has helped me when I was teetering on the edges of stupidity! Hahahaha

Hopefully, through some magical feat, things get better. Is there anywhere else you could go?
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You so eloquently took my thoughts and put them to words
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