Psychiatric Med Cocktails

Not really I have been on a lot higher doses of other meds , THE VODKA applies to anyone in any situation. My intake of brandy was after the would be fatal dose sort of an APERITIF

Mine wasn't a cry for help because I never went to the hospital and never told anyone. It was half *** because I didn't think AD's really had a high likely hood of doing the job. It's all I had in the cabinet at the time.

300 mg Effexor is a high dose. Most I was ever on was 225 mg and I couldn't handle it because I got cognitive blunting. It was even dangerous to drive. I think they give even higher doses than 300 though.

What did you do research it first? There are a lot of other drugs that would do it quicker and without vomiting. I know you flipped though and were not planning it. I believe you. But how did you know it would do the job? What year was this?

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I didn't do research effexor was all I had, I had no idea I would vomit. 7 years ago

WTF

Im going to sound like a know itall here so i apologize in advance. But the first thing i learned in my schooling around abmormal psych is that people never, ever, just snap - at least not in the way you describe as if a switch just went off. There is an underlying stressor or an unreported or ignored mental illness. In news reports you'll hear all these people tell how normal a murder suspect was, but this is mostly because they either put on a great facade and manipulated everyone around them, or the signs that were everywhere were missed or ignored (like the high school shooters in Columbine).

It is the same physically. Take a healthy young person who has a massive heart attack during a basketball game. Their healthy heart didnt just turn on them, that's just how it looks. When they dig doctors find out there was some congenital abnormality no one ever knew about. Or maybe the kid was prone to taking massive amounts of stimulants along with a couple of energy drinks before a basketball game. The public usually wont ever hear about this. The report is that the kid jut dropped dead from a sudden heart attack for no reason. But really, that just doesn't happen.

Taking a lot of stimulants can definitely blow your heart up.

What are you studying in school? I don't think you sound like a know it all. You probably know a lot more than those of us who don't study it.

Maybe you read the label. The new warning had just come out. You said "why would I take a drug that wouldn't do the job."

Not every murder or mass killing is due to mental illness, imho. Yes, sometimes it can play a role, but sometimes is the keyword. And we have to be very careful, how we portray ourselves.

Also, not every suicide is due to MI either. I hope I will never live to the day when lesson on Vietnam war will go like this "if only those poor monks had their Prozac, they would never kill themselves in such horrendous matter....".

True but i wish they had a lot more help for those vets then. They basically got abandoned. I knew a lot of Vietnam vets in AA. A lot of them turned to drugs and alcohol. A lot of them had severe PTSD before that name even existed and had horrible recurring night mares.

I believe it is true to say that they have shown that PTSD changes the brain and not in a good way.

It is like Vietnam all over again with Gulf war, and Iraq and Afghanistan vets. I hope they have more help for them now then they did then but the VA has this like one year back log. How are you gonna wait a year for an appointment when you are in crisis. You are gonna drink a liter of vodka every night to make the night mares go away.

But they are due to some sort of stressor. War is obviously a huge stressor. Sewer was taking a high dose of meds already for MI. I don't know if there is a civilian mass murder case that doesn't involve history of some MI but if there is there is something else like something medical.

Also, hurting yourself and hurting somebody else is vastly different. And hurting civilian strangers outside a war is even more different. I doubt seriously there is a case like that where a "normal" person "snapped" for no reason whatsoever. There is a reason.

I think people do decide to kill themselves sometimes in a very conscious, awake manner but they don't do it without a reason. Women killed their children on trains ww2 very sanely but again, there was a horrific reason. They just don't happen in a vacuum.

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Again, like all the Wall Street people who jumped out of windows when the stock market crashed in 1929. Presumably they were very normal people. But the financial stressors were to much for them. Maybe it was just the ones who did have some mental illness that actually did it but the financial stressors triggered it. We don't know if they had mental illness or not, it was 1929.

I had a very good friend who had no mental illness. I grew up with him and we worked together in our twenties. I never saw any sign of mental illness. He was definitely an alcoholic and loved parties. He never did really grow up and would party with anyone young or old. I think he was in his early forties and went to this party and had sex with an under age girl. Drinking was involved with both of them and it was consensual the best we know. He would never harm a fly so I honestly don't think it was rape. It was stupid alcohol and consent on both sides. It happens.

Anyway her parents found out and she was under age so decided to go after him for statutory rape and real rape and child molestation and the whole book. The DA agreed and was going after him. He was in deep **** and it sent him into a deep depression. Maybe he had developed mental illness before all this I can't say for sure but I don't think so. You can say that alcoholism and addiction is a form of mental illness and I think it is.

He blew his brains out under the stress.

Then I had another very good friend who never showed any sign of mental illness. In fact he was my brothers best friend for a period. No mental illness and no alcoholism or addiction problems. I played hockey with him and he was an engineer and the happiest guy you could ever know.

He had a secret thing for child porn. I don't think he ever molested anyone and no one ever accused him of that. They found all this child porn on his computer and were pressing charges.

He blew his brains out.

Then my best friend growing up and in high school...his Dad was a salesman for Kraft foods, a very good job back then. No signs of mental illness or alcoholism. Had a perfect little family. Three boys. Two of which played baseball and played on a team from my hometown that won the National Babe Ruth Championship one year. From the outside perfect and I knew them all very well.

One day his Dad drove out to the woods and blew half his brain off. He lived and his wife took care of him the rest of his life. None of us ever knew why. Maybe his wife did I don't know. If she did she never said.

I was in telecom when it crashed and there were more than a couple execs at those high flying companies. But even when all that cash was flowing at the peak most people knew at some level it had to come to an end and yet they extended themselves. People would ask... How long? As a species we make horrible decisions about money over and over. We don't forgive ourselves and there is a lot of shame. There is even a study about this. There is an evolutionary reason for it which I'll save for another time. We need to be a little more kind to ourselves.

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The key phrase is "from the outside".

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I'm studying for a masters in counselling psychology so I can (hopefully) be an LMHC in a year or so. I started out in psych nursing but the work load was too much for me at my age and with my family responsibilities.

Anyway, about 6 months ago, one of my former classmates in the program was brutally assaulted and murdered while she was at work. She was a popular 2nd year high school teacher and the killer was one of her students - a 14 year old boy. He was new, had no criminal record, was on the soccar team, was well liked but very quiet, the whole thing. Hi mother went on and on about how good a kid he is, no problems at all. People even asked if he was somehow provoked.

I happened to be taking a psychopathology class at the same time, so this topic was brought up by our prof and we talked about it at legnth. The first thing my prof said was "I will tell you right now, people do not do things like this because they just "snapped" that's total BS. Later they will find out a lot of stuff about this boy, I promise". And of course over the months, they slowly did. It is a fascinating topic though and I think the media likes to portray some crimes this way sometimes because it is a bit scarier, and maybe makes it more news worthy.

Then I worked with and lived with a guy in Memphis on a big job. We got an apartment together and I lived with him for four months. We got pretty close. He was a major alcoholic and coke addict. Had an anger streak and maybe a little violent. I only saw the anger a few times. He was happy and smiling the whole time. I was jealous because I had depression and he was so damn happy all the time. He would drag me out of bed when we were both hungover to go to work. I move back to Oklahoma City for another job.

Two months later one of the bosses told me he blew his face off with a shot gun. He missed. Still alive today.

So damn I have my share of personal experience with it. And having my own attempts.

I believe alcoholism and addiction is a mental illness.

Apparently, patients who do commit suicide often do so when they appear to be on the upswing and much better. That's why it tends to be so unexpected and seems to come out of nowhere. I guess once the fog of depression starts to clear, a person can see things more clearly and can plan something like this in more organized fashion, and are successful. I think desperation can drive relatively sane people to it. They feel so trapped and hopeless that to them it is the only way out.

You are totally right about that.

My Mom and I were just talking about this. She told me about it I had no idea it might me true. That you feel just better enough to actually carry it out. I am going to have to think about this because in my last six month long very deep depression I had a number of plans. I thought about it every day. It was comforting to think about it. I always came back to the aftermath with my parents though. I even thought well if I go the carbon monoxide route with the car in the garage what will happen if my parents come home and go in the garage and get me then they will get carbon monoxide poisoning. A very real possibility and it pissed me off cause it took that plan off the table. Maybe I will put a sign on the garage door but if they use the garage door opener they won't see it. Crazy thinking. I had other plans but I won't discuss them as I don't know if I am breaking the rules.

And damn it, that just reminded me of another friend growing up. His Mom did the carbon monoxide thing. It was totally planned. Again none of us knew why and no one ever said. It just wasn't talked about even in the 80's.

Damn I have been around alot of crap.

Oh that brings up a great point. Mob mentality is a cause. Also I think rape culture is most definitely a factor when it comes to things like Steubenville. Your example is different, btw. I don't think this people need to be psychopaths. They do need to see their victims as objects or the equivalent of beasts (slavery). Not an expert but it strikes me that is a sort of "learned psychopathy". One of the two guys prosecuted in Steubenville did express remorse, hopefully in a profound way. I find it interesting the other is white and privileged. Another factor that uses selective vision.

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Your study is awesome. My 21 year old daughter seems to be going the same route. I am sure it is related to me and our family history. Plus she is fascinated by it too, as am I. But i am fascinated by a lot of topics. I pray she can make it and doesn't have her own issues that will prevent it. She was a horrible student from 7th grade through High School. She just didn't care and didn't see the point. Last semester in community college she got a 3.5 so I was very happy. I really pray she sticks it out and gets all those licenses. She would be very good at it and it is a great career.

I am very sorry about your classmate. That is horrible. And I agree with you, there is much more than meets the eye.

And to Michanne. One of my biggest, perhaps the biggest situational trigger for me is finances.

Yeah cases like the Steubenville one appear to be like you said a "mob mentality" issue. I bet these kids alone would never have done what they did. But mix alcohol, drugs and a sense of entitlement and its a dangerous mix. I think she was seen as being from the wrong side of the tracks and worth less than other girls, so in their eyes they could use her as they pleased. She didn't matter to them.

Another interesting thing about this case though is that many boys ended up testifying on her behalf, while a couple of girls (her friends no less), testified on behalf of the rapists. No girls testified on her behalf as far as I know. She was bullied horribly after the trial as well, by her former friends (girls).

what a sad depressing bunch of posts , makes you want to slit your wrists . JESUS lighten up .