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Old Dec 24, 2011, 06:25 AM
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Thank you. I just need to hear it and keep hearing it (or, reading it). From other people, esp people who understand. It helps.

I was talking to friend y'day. She knows I'm in therapy but has never gone through it herself and I *almost* told her about this because that's how crazy it was making me. But I reconsidered and didn't do it. Not worth the I would have gotten. Ya know?
I told one friend about how I feel about my T (and she hasn't been through therapy), and her response was, "yeah, that makes TOTAL sense." It was a huge relief.

I haven't KEPT talking to her about it, however, because she started to worry about the boundaries in the relationship. Because she has never been through therapy, I think she started worrying about my T reciprocating my feelings and that somehow the whole thing would lead to an affair. But, I KNOW that my T ISN'T in love with me (and your T isn't in love with you, BTW), and the relationship is safe.
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
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I was reading this thread and thinking what are these feelongs about? Is it something we just need to mourne? For myself its like an anxiety inside of me that is so afraid of abandoment that I think if I can make this person love me, need me, then I can breathe and feel finally safe. Its like I don't have any adult knowledge of what a normal adult relationship should be like, the chikd in me seems to have the upper hand on this one* she wants to be loved soooo bad that she wants to go from "hi" to " I love you" in 5 seconds. Does that make sense? Anything less then that doesn't register.
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 08:41 AM
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I really don't have any answers to this phenomenon, and it's exhausting, but I'm hopful in the end that it's all worth it.
Two things that have helped me is first the 'right therapist'. I have experienced similiar transference-like feelings with other therapists, but this is the first one to acknowledge it.
And second, I'm finally talking about it with her. And I mean over, and over, and over, and over again!

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Old Dec 24, 2011, 09:01 AM
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I went to therapy yesterday and my transference came up (I brought it up ....I just couldn't take it anymore). The word "transference" didn't ever enter the conversation but we talked about the therapy "relationship" and how I struggle with the unbalanced nature of the whole dang thing and how I can't take the word "relationship" seriously when it's all one sided. We talked about how I have no one IRL whom I can trust, and so it's kind of obvious why and how I'd like to take the good feelings of therapy with me in the real world. It's not an erotic kind of transference, just your average, garden variety type where I would like my T in my life (I think.....read on).

I asked him what HE thought of our relationship and if we "click" or "mesh well".....not in an inappropriate way; he's always been the consummate professional with me, never anything funky. And he kind of dodged the question....you know, standard operating procedure . I called him out on that, and he told me he'd answer the question after *I* told him why it was important to me to begin with. It's important to me because I feel like sometimes I don't have a good judge of character with people. And by the time I realize that the person I thought I knew isn't that person, it feels too late for me; I've revealed too much of myself, I'm in too deep, I'm too attached to that person, etc. And then it makes it harder for me to trust the next time, see? So, my guard is still up....I guess I wanted his take on our professional relationship to get a better feel of safety, since he doesn't self disclose. Then he went on to tell me all the great things he sees in me: intelligent, articulate, self aware, funny.......but never answered my question which is irritating more than anything. I keep asking myself why he didn't/wouldn't answer my original question. ????

And now? I'm thinking of this all too much and it's driving me nuts. In my head, on a cognitive level, I KNOW he doesn't desire to see me in a personal way outside of the office, or love me romantically, or anything like that BUT!!! my feelings are so off the wall, complete opposite of that right now. I keep thinking of the nice things he said about me, how good it felt to have someone say something nice to me and positive for once. And I'm over thinking it. BIG TIME. I keep going back and forth betwteen the rational (he was just being nice; therapeutic; professional) and the irrational (I never hear this in my life OMG it FEELS.SO.GOOD!!!; maybe I can trust him; maybe....I don't know....maybe there's more).

This is absurd. I need someone to bring me back down. Someone. Anyone. Everyone?! LOL. This SUCKS so hard. I read somewhere that therapy is like having your heart professionally broken and to realize that going in is one thing.....but to feel it is so completely something else. Especially when it comes out of nowhere. It hurts. And the thing is, is that I KNOW this is irrational. So that makes it confusing too UGH.
yes i been in therapy for one year i am a female and so is she, she has told me i am funny easy to work with intelligent but i have no idea about this relationship thing being that it is all one sided i mean i have asked her stupid questions like if she is afraid of bugs and minor things which she has answered and i know we clik but you are right i have a problem with calling it a relationship i look foward to seeing her weekly and talking its like she is my confidant friend although its not possible to be a friend, its just so difficult i call it our therapeutic hour instead of relationship

i dont know anything about her unless i google her but then i would feel guilty about it lol i know she disclosed she had 2 kids only reason was she cancelled her appt with me twice and called to tell me her kids get sick in the winter,
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 10:36 AM
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I was reading this thread and thinking what are these feelongs about? I think if I can make this person love me, need me, then I can breathe and feel finally safe. she wants to go from "hi" to " I love you" in 5 seconds. Does that make sense? Anything less then that doesn't register.
earthmamma so genius! that is your post, and my ivri kumin preobject relationships in therapy viewpoint. when baby is CALMED by a calm attentive mother, then baby feels safe and the brain grows. if not, we are left with a longing - maybe next time? maybe next time? maybe this time? maybe this time? that's always been my mantra, without really realizing it. Unwittingly reinforced by mother - maybe this they'll hire you, maybe this time you'll really lose weight, maybe this time this shrink will fix you (altho I think she's secretly hoping to dump me on him too!).
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 01:12 PM
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I told one friend about how I feel about my T (and she hasn't been through therapy), and her response was, "yeah, that makes TOTAL sense." It was a huge relief.

I haven't KEPT talking to her about it, however, because she started to worry about the boundaries in the relationship. Because she has never been through therapy, I think she started worrying about my T reciprocating my feelings and that somehow the whole thing would lead to an affair. But, I KNOW that my T ISN'T in love with me (and your T isn't in love with you, BTW), and the relationship is safe.
Thank you for reminding me again. It stings, but it's OK. I need that over and over and over....
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 01:18 PM
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I was reading this thread and thinking what are these feelongs about? Is it something we just need to mourne? For myself its like an anxiety inside of me that is so afraid of abandoment that I think if I can make this person love me, need me, then I can breathe and feel finally safe. Its like I don't have any adult knowledge of what a normal adult relationship should be like, the chikd in me seems to have the upper hand on this one* she wants to be loved soooo bad that she wants to go from "hi" to " I love you" in 5 seconds. Does that make sense? Anything less then that doesn't register.
OMG.....yes. Thank you for you for your words. I don't have any adult knowledge either. It's like I do, but I don't, kwim? Like, if I got the love and attention I want and need - without having to "work" for it, or "earn" it then I'll magically be somehow fixed. I'll know and feel that I alone am worthy. Like I should have felt as a child. Kids don't (or shouldn't) have to earn that love - it just exists. Except for me, it didn't and doesn't. So I'm looking for it over here, in therapy.

This really blows.
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 04:05 PM
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I went to therapy yesterday and my transference came up (I brought it up ....I just couldn't take it anymore). The word "transference" didn't ever enter the conversation but we talked about the therapy "relationship" and how I struggle with the unbalanced nature of the whole dang thing and how I can't take the word "relationship" seriously when it's all one sided. We talked about how I have no one IRL whom I can trust, and so it's kind of obvious why and how I'd like to take the good feelings of therapy with me in the real world. It's not an erotic kind of transference, just your average, garden variety type where I would like my T in my life (I think.....read on).

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I have felt all this. And it does hurt.

Most for what I wanted from T was not on offer, and I hated that. But I ignored a lot of good stuff that was on offer.

T: It makes me sad that you can't see what I am offering you.

We go into therapy with huge needs and huge fantasies about how those needs will be met. Those fantasies will be shredded. Ow ow ow ow ow! But if we persist, our needs will be met. Yay!

That's how it was for me.
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 05:17 PM
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And it bothers me too that, in the grand scheme of things, I've really only known him a cumulative total of less than 2 days (1 hr a week since June). I know the local bartender better than this for cryin' out loud!
Don't forget: this is all quality time. How much quality time do you spend with anyone else? I bet your bartender is always rushing off to serve other people. And is he really listening?

As you persist with therapy, you will know your T better.

Finally, it's not about knowing T, it's about knowing yourself. How much quality time do you spend with you?
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 08:29 PM
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Don't forget: this is all quality time. How much quality time do you spend with anyone else? I bet your bartender is always rushing off to serve other people. And is he really listening?

As you persist with therapy, you will know your T better.

Finally, it's not about knowing T, it's about knowing yourself. How much quality time do you spend with you?
Thank you cantexplain, for your kind advice. I have fantasies yes, but as you know, they are based on all I've ever known (which is dysfunctional). Hard stuff, trying to learn all of this, especially when you're trying to raise kids, as I am.

I'm trying so hard to stick with this. It's proving to be THE hardest thing I've ever done, or will attempt to do. Ever. I know, in my mind, that its not about T; I think one of the reasons I'm all hung up on HIM is because it then takes the focus off of me. I don't think I'm anything special worth exploring (but I'm trying to see it...its just taking time); but I want to get past the pain and my own personal hangups and that is why I keep going. Plus, its just normal to want to progress to the next level of a relationship when you're getting to know someone (not a sexual thing, just the normal give and take stuff)....and its just all give give give and no taking. Well, not in the sense that I know or am used to.

I feel like not only is my heart breaking but....I'M breaking. All of me. And its all so unfamiliar and makes no sense whatsoever.

I thought getting some sleep last night would help but I woke up the same as I went down. WTF.

Who in sam hill invented therapy anyway!!??!? GOD I HATE THIS.
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Old Dec 24, 2011, 11:04 PM
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I identify with this entire thread and the agony and ecstasy of therapy. It doesn't seem fair to have the best relationship in the world with my R, but to know that it's mostly one-sided though my T cares a lot about me. I know it's irrational to want to be with her so much, and to think about her more than my family, and to like being with her more than my family, but then again, she's there for me more than my family are. She doesn't criticize me, and she appreciates me. She accepts me. It's hard not to want more and more of that. I think it's normal to want more!!!

Reminder: No, our Ts aren't in love with us and don't love us the way we love them. They DO care about us and want the best for us, though.
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Old Dec 25, 2011, 03:58 AM
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I keep seeing the phrase "one-sided" and it keeps striking me as wrong - our r/s isn't one-sided, T has his side and I have mine. The better I "play" my part, the more T can fulfill his role. When I hear one-sided, i'm never sure which side is meant. Are we trying to push T to act as we do, share details of our lives, complain and want the other person to fix it? Or do we want to be able to act as T does, to be the all-knowing, to be looked up to, to be the one who comforts, who has the power in the relationship? Both views are wrong, neither is what we strive for. The strength of the love coming from
each side can be equal.
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Old Dec 25, 2011, 02:34 PM
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I keep seeing the phrase "one-sided" and it keeps striking me as wrong - our r/s isn't one-sided, T has his side and I have mine. The better I "play" my part, the more T can fulfill his role. When I hear one-sided, i'm never sure which side is meant. Are we trying to push T to act as we do, share details of our lives, complain and want the other person to fix it? Or do we want to be able to act as T does, to be the all-knowing, to be looked up to, to be the one who comforts, who has the power in the relationship? Both views are wrong, neither is what we strive for. The strength of the love coming from
each side can be equal.
I so so so agree with this. Thank you for the reminder.
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I keep seeing the phrase "one-sided" and it keeps striking me as wrong - our r/s isn't one-sided, T has his side and I have mine. The better I "play" my part, the more T can fulfill his role. When I hear one-sided, i'm never sure which side is meant. Are we trying to push T to act as we do, share details of our lives, complain and want the other person to fix it? Or do we want to be able to act as T does, to be the all-knowing, to be looked up to, to be the one who comforts, who has the power in the relationship? Both views are wrong, neither is what we strive for. The strength of the love coming from
each side can be equal.
My word is "asymmetric".
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