Do Ts Lie To Every Patient?

I know this has been addressed in other posts but I wanted to see everyone thinks now. Do Ts every have clients they do lie to. I mean longer term therapy patients. Is it inevitable, a matter of when and not if your T has ever lied to you.
Then if you believe they have; 1) Were there times you knew your T wasn't being honest.
2) How often do you think they lie and why?
3) How do you feel about all this?
My head is spinning but that's what is on my mind today.(:

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I've been seeing my T for over 8 years now. If he has lied to me, I haven't been aware of it, so if so, it must have been something so minor that I didn't even care to notice. He's pretty straight with me; doesn't mince words, so I suspect he's pretty truthful.

Well, what are the "lies"? You're beautiful? You're smart? You CAN conquer your demons / overcome your past - and find love and a satisfying future? That is what the definition of mental health is according to Freud. If we were told the opposite - if we had the opposite done to us - it was by people who wanted or expected us to fail, for whatever sad reasons of their own. Was that any more "truthful" than what a t tells us now? It's like the good-ENOUGH mother - you're beautiful ENOUGH, you're smart ENOUGH to do and get what you want; you're not lacking. That's what t is NOT lying about.

Ts are individuals like their clients and I do not think they lie more/less than anyone else. However, I don't understand the question about Ts as a group, I don't believe there is such a group and the question does not seem useful to me; if all Ts do/do not lie to every patient, there's nothing there for me?

Yeah, suppose it wasn't thought out well and it's actually pretty stupid.

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My T has lied to me, but the times I am sure he lying, it was something he just couldn't really be honest about, or it was something kind of self protective.

Then the question is, how or how much does it affect your therapy? Sometimes they say stuff to who they THINK we are, or to how they hope to present themselves to us. Like one time (or rather multiple times) my t said oh yuck about something, and I was like, why is he saying that? We talked about it later and I just said it never rang true for me. Really the point in therapy is for ME to speak up immediately when things don't ring true - if this had been a real emergency! i.e., a real relationship, and a guy had said oh yuck to me, I should have immediately said, you liar, get out of my bed! The relationship with t, or t doesnt have to be a sweet guy; the guy in my bed - hopefully!

I believe they do.

Yes, I believe so....

I really don't think any of my T's have out and out lied to me BUT if I ask them something they don't want to answer they will sometimes avoid the question or reframe the comment so it is not as harmful or offensive. If anyone of them out and out lied to me, I don't think I would go back. The relationship is based and your honesty as well as theirs. And if I have to be painfully honest with them, I would find it inexcusable for them not to do likewise.

My PDoc once told me, "People Lie."

To add^^

My talk therapist, I feel he 'lies' in the sense, of in trying to tell me things, and to preserve confidentiality of clients, at times, I am sure, there is some distortion of the truth, but not in a malicious way, whatsoever, but to either give clarity, share knowledge, give guidance, what have you...

So, yes, there are lies, mistruths, et al...

My therapist lied to me once. I was really angry about it when he confessed, but it didn't take me too long to understand why he did that. I was ok with it after he explained why he did that.

Like others said, therapists have qualities just like everyone else, and lying is something that every human being has done. In my point of view, being defensive when caught in a lie, like trying to say how it wasn't really a lie, shows deception, while admitting it and taking responsibility for it, shows integrity.

Honesty is really important to me as well, but lying from time to time is inevitable, I believe. It can be used for protection or because of fear, and other reasons for either the person who lied or for the person being lied to.

I agree with ressecups! If they did lie, I wouldn't got back to them!

I don't believe my T would lie to me. He doesn't tell me very much about his life so I don't know what there would be to lie about, unless he's lying about my treatment. There have been many times when I've asked her if there is really hope for me. She has assured me that she would not deceive me.

I don't think any of my Ts ever lied to me. The downside to that is that they didn't tell me very much. They avoided lying by not answering my questions.

first thing is I want to say your question is not stupid at all. not everyone will have an opinion or something to add. that's ok . but it doesn't make your question stupid at all.

I have caught my T in a few lies .it left me wondering and confused about why she needed to lie about it.
once was when I was heading to T I saw her out on a walk heading away from the office . I knew she was going to be late for my session because it was already only one minute till my session . she was 15 min late as she walked through the door .she said she was sorry for the wait but that she got held up in a meeting. don't understand .I would have had more respect if she said I went for a walk to clear my head or something . but the lie didn't hurt anyone in the end so I let it go and no big deal

I guess rather than lies, I suspect most of us employ shades of truth. I suppose I don't see truth as an absolute very often. What's that saying about "one man's truth is another man's lie"?

That said, if I saw a pattern in anyone, but especially a T, of "lies" I think I would lose confidence in that person. Not because of a moral judgment, but because if such lies are often used as a way of communicating--making choices that obscure clear relating-- it would feel as though the T had too many areas of conflict in himself for me to have confidence.