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Old Mar 11, 2014, 09:40 AM
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I like the cartoon but I do have to say something about this... I believe this has nothing to do with being an "ideal" client. Because let's face it.. if therapists thought that all the things on the list would beg the question if a client needs therapy, they would be out of work pretty quickly. I believe those things on the list are what makes a therapist feel they are doing a good job. If people pay on time it means they have a feeling of mutual responsibility. If they feel the client demonstrates a desire to change, then it means they have the skills to instill exactly that in a client. If a client turns up to sessions and doesn't cancel frequently, they know that the client is willing to work, is not "testing" them or their commitment etc. I believe every client "works hard" in their own individual strength.
The out of session issue.. I have a very strong feeling about that! But I think I will open a new thread with that one.. But briefly, in my opinion if a therapist thinks a good client is one who has as little out of session contact as possible, I think he has chosen the wrong profession.

Even though I find the comic funny, I also feel it's a little offending.. Because it makes me, the apparently "ideal" client question, what value I have as a client if I do what I think is right! How can someone assume that the healthy parts inside me, the ones that make me do all the things on the list are a sign that I don't need help?
That is a thoughtful response.

I just wanted to say though, I think that if a therapist thinks of a client as ideal because of things which make the therapist think s/he is doing a good job, then s/he has a problem. Of course everyone needs to see results in their work, I'm just saying that if a therapist thought everything a client did says something about him as a therapist (even normal things such as paying on time or things which could be individual habits such as working hard), then I think that therapist will be missing important information about the client (and react badly to some clients' difficulties, taking them personally). Just saying. I have pretty strong feelings about this too.

About attending sessions and paying on time, I'd also like to point out that therapists also really just need the work and money, like any other professional. If a client didn't pay me on time for the services provided, I wouldn't mind it thinking that I'm doing a bad job, I'd mind it because I need the money I have earned by spending the time and working. Surely not doing these things says something about the therapeutic relationship, no doubt. But the therapeutic relationship is the responsibility of both therapist and client. I think taking too much responsibility is just as bad as not taking enough responsibility.
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Old Mar 11, 2014, 09:53 AM
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That is a thoughtful response.

I just wanted to say though, I think that if a therapist thinks of a client as ideal because of things which make the therapist think s/he is doing a good job, then s/he has a problem. Of course everyone needs to see results in their work, I'm just saying that if a therapist thought everything a client did says something about him as a therapist (even normal things such as paying on time or things which could be individual habits such as working hard), then I think that therapist will be missing important information about the client (and react badly to some clients' difficulties, taking them personally). Just saying. I have pretty strong feelings about this too.

About attending sessions and paying on time, I'd also like to point out that therapists also really just need the work and money, like any other professional. If a client didn't pay me on time for the services provided, I wouldn't mind it thinking that I'm doing a bad job, I'd mind it because I need the money I have earned by spending the time and working. Surely not doing these things says something about the therapeutic relationship, no doubt. But the therapeutic relationship is the responsibility of both therapist and client. I think taking too much responsibility is just as bad as not taking enough responsibility.
I agree with that of course. I wasn't saying that the therapist can take all the credit for an "ideal client" I meant it more in a way that it sounded like the list was made by a therapist checking on what he thinks is an ideal client. If he then thought as a result a person doesn't need therapy, it wouldn't make him the ideal therapist. I believe a therapist-client relationship is very dynamic. It is about both the T and the client. I make it an important part of my therapy to tell my T when I think she has helped me with a breakthrough. And she tells me in response that it helps her become a better therapist. I make it a point to never "test" her on her commitment because for me it would blur the relationship with her in a way I wouldn't find helpful. If a T gets feedback from their client, it makes them more aware of the good (or not so good) work they do. So even if paying a bill does not necessarily reflect of a T is good or bad, it has implications for both, the patient and the T beyond being able to pay their bills.
And I also believe many clients cancel at least once in their therapeutic relationship just to find out if the T really cares. Some don't like to admit it, but I know it's true. And even valid in some cases... I know that my T appreciates that I try to attend every session and if I can't come to her, she comes to me. And I know for her it shows my commitment and that in return makes her confident that she is doing a good job.
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Old Mar 11, 2014, 10:01 AM
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There is a pretty interesting (okay maybe not extremely scientific but very nicely written) article about the world's best therapy client

The World's Best Therapy Client | Psychology Today

PS. I've already seen here external links posted but if it's not okay, please just let me know or delete my post...
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Old Mar 11, 2014, 10:04 AM
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Slightly off topic but i've read a lot of the Therapy Tales Cartoons and i just don't find them that funny there's a couple that are vaguely amusing but mostly i find them a bit....weird/dull. They're just not my sense of humour.
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Old Mar 11, 2014, 10:13 AM
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There was a cartoon, which is no longer being written, called Go Fish about a therapist. I thought it was very funny.
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Old Mar 11, 2014, 01:36 PM
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The cartoon is cute. It doesn't talk the aspect of what they are dealing with in therapy though. You could do everything on the checklist and still need a lot of help.

But straying away from the comic, I think every therapist might have his or her own "ideal client". I think lots of them might really like clients that can be a little bit difficult and others like different things. I'm not going to worry about being a "perfect client" and I'm just going to be me and hope they like that.
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Old Mar 11, 2014, 04:53 PM
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About testing T - I've never canceled (one time I rescheduled a week ahead due to a commitment that came up but we rescheduled for within he same week)...I've been in therapy with T for a year now. I do test in other ways without realizing it though....
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