Home Menu

Menu


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 06:06 PM
Leah123's Avatar
Leah123 Leah123 is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Jun 2013
Location: Washington
Posts: 3,593
I didn't think metaphorical was a terrible concept at all. I think it's a poor substitute for a real hug, but quite a decent attempt at an alternative. To me it represents the therapist caring, but not wanting to cross a boundary, like.. holding you in spirit, holding you in his thoughts. I don't think "metaphorical" pertained to what you disclosed at all, just to the type of hug he felt he could offer.

Also, when I referred to termination: no I wouldn't recommend you terminate because your therapist said no to something, if it was me, I'd terminate just because a lack of physical touch is a deal breaker. I find it healing and important. But if you don't want hugs in therapy in general, once your feelings fade, as you're deeply shaken by talking about the trauma, I think you'll see a way through to understanding he cares about you and talking to him about why he doesn't hug and how you can feel best supported given his boundaries.

I'm sorry it hurts so.
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid

advertisement
  #27  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 06:28 PM
guilloche guilloche is offline
Magnate
 
Member Since: Jun 2014
Location: US
Posts: 2,734
Echos Myron... I agree that you are incredibly brave for managing to ask your T for a hug! I can't even imagine! Please, please do not lose the *awesomeness* that you were able to ask for what you wanted!

And... I hope you can go back and talk about it. Hopefully he can explain in a clear, non-awful way *why* he didn't want to give you the hug.

(((hugs)))
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid
  #28  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 06:59 PM
RTerroni's Avatar
RTerroni RTerroni is offline
Elder
 
Member Since: Sep 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 5,751
I'm very sorry that happened to you, I can remember wanting a hug from my last Therapist at a very hard session and feeling even more depressed after I didn't get one.
__________________
COVID-19 Survivor- 4/26/2022
Hugs from:
anon20141119
  #29  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 07:29 PM
growlycat's Avatar
growlycat growlycat is offline
Therapy Ninja
 
Member Since: Jan 2007
Location: How did I get here?
Posts: 10,308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Echos Myron View Post
By deal breaker, do u mean you would terminate?
Yes I think I would terminate. Easier said than done I know!

I wouldn't mind if a T didn't offer one right on the spot as long as they said something caring and then something to the effect of "Let's talk more about the hug next time, ok?"

If they wouldn't offer anything instead like hand holding, then I'd probably terminate, but that is just me. I have found that I really need this sometimes.

A T has every right to refuse, but I have every right to leave.
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid, unaluna
  #30  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 07:44 PM
RedSun RedSun is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Jul 2014
Location: Scotland
Posts: 1,668
I'm so sorry.
Hugs for you from me, anyway.
Hugs from:
Anonymous37925
  #31  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 07:58 PM
Carpe_Noctem Carpe_Noctem is offline
New Member
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Location: Pacific North West
Posts: 6
He may have just been caught of guard. But if you don't feel comfortable seeing him again, then you have every right to not see him and request a different counselor.
  #32  
Old Aug 29, 2014, 08:13 PM
Crescent Moon's Avatar
Crescent Moon Crescent Moon is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Echos Myron View Post
Thanks. At the end of the session he always asks if there's anything I want to say that I will wish I had said if I leave without saying. I sat for about 3 minutes before I answered. I wish I hadn't asked because I feel our relationship is beyond reconciliation.
Maybe not. Really. Why not go back an feelvaa guarded and doubtful as you need to. Then tell him, as simply as possible, how that response left you feeling, and that you are not sure its repairable. The just see how it unfolds if you just stop going, I'm worried it will be painful for a long time.
__________________
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid
  #33  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 02:05 AM
Anonymous37925
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
At the moment (and it's probably not true) I feel as though I can dismiss this as long as I don't have to see him again. He knew how much I feared rejection from him. I considered asking him carefully but I decided my need for comfort outweighed the risk of rejection. I just feel that he has knowingly reinforced every presupposition I have about trusting people
Hugs from:
Aloneandafraid, anon20141119, growlycat
  #34  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 02:09 AM
growlycat's Avatar
growlycat growlycat is offline
Therapy Ninja
 
Member Since: Jan 2007
Location: How did I get here?
Posts: 10,308
There are other T's who will gladly give comfort. I hope you find someone warmer, if you seek a new T.
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid
  #35  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:33 AM
Ambra's Avatar
Ambra Ambra is offline
Grand Member
 
Member Since: Nov 2013
Location: Limbo
Posts: 830
I'm so sorry. Maybe he thought it is still too early and wasn't sure it would be the best thing to do at the moment.. thinking of you.
__________________
Everything will be ok in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
  #36  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:37 AM
LifeIsCruel LifeIsCruel is offline
Member
 
Member Since: Feb 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 207
I am so sorry!

Therapists...far TOO many of them have no clue!

They are there just to get a paycheck!

I suggest finding a new one.
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid, RTerroni
  #37  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 09:35 AM
feralkittymom's Avatar
feralkittymom feralkittymom is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Aug 2012
Location: yada
Posts: 4,415
I think you should consider carefully whether his refusal to hug you physically really is a rejection, or whether it only feels like a rejection.

The first is a deal breaker; the second is appropriate to explore within therapy.
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid, Anne2.0, elliemay, JaneTennison1, leggiera, Middlemarcher, unaluna, UnderRugSwept
  #38  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 10:07 AM
Anonymous100185
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
That is really, really... Difficult. Jeez. I feel for you.
  #39  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 12:22 PM
Anonymous37925
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by feralkittymom View Post
I think you should consider carefully whether his refusal to hug you physically really is a rejection, or whether it only feels like a rejection.

The first is a deal breaker; the second is appropriate to explore within therapy.
I'm not sure what the difference is? If there a difference I don't know how to work out which it is. Is the answer in me or him?
Hugs from:
anon20141119
Thanks for this!
growlycat
  #40  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 12:26 PM
Anonymous37925
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
By the way, in spite of not wanting him to read what I write on PC, I sent him this thread this morning. I thought it would be the best way to show him where I'm at. I wouldn't be able to write an email directly to him at the moment as it is too painful.
He hasn't responded yet.

Last edited by Anonymous37925; Aug 30, 2014 at 01:02 PM.
Hugs from:
Aloneandafraid, anon20141119
Thanks for this!
Aloneandafraid
  #41  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 12:37 PM
archipelago's Avatar
archipelago archipelago is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,773
There is a difference though there may not feel like there is so it would be hard to sort out. I am guessing that what is being considered is for you to think about the intention behind not hugging and saying it would have to be metaphorical. If this is a standard policy or something that in the moment was felt to be the most appropriate response, then it is clearly not intended as rejection. It may feel that way regardless. Therapists tend not to do things that are deliberately rejecting toward their clients. That sorta crosses purposes with what they are supposed to be doing. But therapists do have feelings and reactions and may do things that are not always the best for the client.

Even if that happens, it is still open to repair. Lots can be discussed and worked through, even when there has been a very upsetting interaction. In fact, sometimes that rupture/repair works to strengthen the relationship. Not saying you have to consider it. just saying that it is possible.

Once my therapist actually said to me over the phone, "I don't really like you very much right now." You would think that that would have lead to leaving, especially since I was in crisis and needed support. But though I didn't like it, I understood that he had reached a certain limit, that I had been acting out, and that I wasn't being so easy to get along with. He told the truth. I didn't take it as rejection but as his expression of being worn thin. To qualify that though, we had many years behind us and were going through something unusual so I didn't generalize it to his overall attitude.
__________________
“Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of nonknowledge.” – Isaac Bashevis Singer
  #42  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:22 PM
Crescent Moon's Avatar
Crescent Moon Crescent Moon is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Echos Myron View Post
I'm not sure what the difference is? If there a difference I don't know how to work out which it is. Is the answer in me or him?
It will be impossible to really know until you talk to him about it. And there is really no way to know what was in his mind when he said it. I know it genuinely feels like he knowingly said something despite being aware of your difficulty with rejection, but consider this: If he is very accepting of you and has absolutely no feeling inside of him that is rejection of you, then it would be difficult for him to just guess that his statement would feel like rejection to you. Does that make sense? I don't know if you've heard of it before, but what you're experiencing right now is called a therapeutic rupture.

I would really encourage you to talk to him about it. I've had lots of ruptures happen over the years with my therapist, and when I've finally talked to her about things, amazing things have happened. Along the way, I read something about the "repair" of these ruptures is truly one of the most healing things. Ruptures are often caused by things from our earliest relationships that weren't good, and a therapist actively pursuing repair of a rupture in the relationship can go a long way toward lessening the impact of the past. It has been extraordinarily healing for me.
__________________

Last edited by Crescent Moon; Aug 30, 2014 at 05:52 PM.
Hugs from:
Anonymous37925
  #43  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:38 PM
Anonymous37925
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I will give him more time before I make a decision, but I contacted him with the content of this thread and he hasn't responded at all. That to me doesn't look like someone actively pursuing repair in the relationship.
When I discussed my anxiety before sessions he mentioned that he as a therapist should 'do no harm' (I reassured him that therapy in itself was not doing me harm) I think he is worrying about doing me harm, but actually I interpret his silence as confirmation of rejection. Surely there lies the greater harm.
  #44  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:41 PM
lunatic soul's Avatar
lunatic soul lunatic soul is offline
Grand Member
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Location: somewhere
Posts: 906
Why do you want hug from him?
  #45  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:43 PM
archipelago's Avatar
archipelago archipelago is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,773
It is the weekend. My therapist doesn't even check his email. We do text, but long periods of time can pass before he will respond. And if it is something he thinks needs to be discussed properly, he will wait till session or call if urgent. I'm not sure that I would interpret silence as confirmation of rejection. You don't even know if he has received the email or not yet.
__________________
“Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of nonknowledge.” – Isaac Bashevis Singer
  #46  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:45 PM
Anonymous37925
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by lunatic soul View Post
Why do you want hug from him?
Because I felt more vulnerable and afraid than I ever had before, and I had just told him something terribly traumatic that nobody else knows about me. I wanted to feel safer.
Hugs from:
anon20141119
  #47  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:47 PM
Anonymous37925
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by archipelago View Post
It is the weekend. My therapist doesn't even check his email. We do text, but long periods of time can pass before he will respond. And if it is something he thinks needs to be discussed properly, he will wait till session or call if urgent. I'm not sure that I would interpret silence as confirmation of rejection. You don't even know if he has received the email or not yet.
He does check his email on a weekend. He has always responded to me on a weekend before. If he wants to discuss it in session that's fine, except we didn't set up another appointment and don't want to chase him about that.
  #48  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:51 PM
Crescent Moon's Avatar
Crescent Moon Crescent Moon is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Echos Myron View Post
I will give him more time before I make a decision, but I contacted him with the content of this thread and he hasn't responded at all. That to me doesn't look like someone actively pursuing repair in the relationship.
When I discussed my anxiety before sessions he mentioned that he as a therapist should 'do no harm' (I reassured him that therapy in itself was not doing me harm) I think he is worrying about doing me harm, but actually I interpret his silence as confirmation of rejection. Surely there lies the greater harm.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he hasn't checked his email or something.
__________________
  #49  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 05:52 PM
archipelago's Avatar
archipelago archipelago is offline
Grand Poohbah
 
Member Since: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,773
I am sorry that this has become something to add to what was already difficult. Handling traumatic material is very tricky and delicate. It is really important that things around it are smooth so I understand that this feels terrible in that context.
__________________
“Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of nonknowledge.” – Isaac Bashevis Singer
  #50  
Old Aug 30, 2014, 06:46 PM
lunatic soul's Avatar
lunatic soul lunatic soul is offline
Grand Member
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Location: somewhere
Posts: 906
Sometimes they have to think about it before they respond to email. I texted my T and he replied after three days saying he had to think about it so maybe its the same thing with your T.
Reply
Views: 4954

attentionThis is an old thread. You probably should not post your reply to it, as the original poster is unlikely to see it.




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:22 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® — Copyright © 2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.




 

My Support Forums

My Support Forums is the online community that was originally begun as the Psych Central Forums in 2001. It now runs as an independent self-help support group community for mental health, personality, and psychological issues and is overseen by a group of dedicated, caring volunteers from around the world.

 

Helplines and Lifelines

The material on this site is for informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider.

Always consult your doctor or mental health professional before trying anything you read here.