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Originally Posted by puzzle_bug1987
What happens when you're seeing a therapist for the attachment and the warm fuzzy feelings (I don't mean this disrespectfully. I do understand that we need this in our lives. I just couldn't think of any other way to put it) and you have no goals and one day the therapist starts wondering where the therapy is going? What if they talk to a supervisor and they decide therapy isn't really going anywhere and there's no justification for continuing it? Maybe it isn't unethical, but are there many therapists who will just see someone who wants the relationship and nothing more? Or is that what we're talking about?
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If you know that's what you want, some therapists go with it. Like I said, this is a business after all. They give you what you want. As long as they follow the code of ethics and don't trick the client into thinking they need more sessions or have some deeper problems, they're not necessarily being unethical. So somebody goes to them and is aware they want a nice relationship and the therapist provides that, and that's that.
Other therapists of course, won't go for that. Especially if they have people on the waiting list to see them or if the insurance companies want progress to keep paying for it, even if the client has no goals the therapist will bring up the issue to see if the client is really there to make progress or just to spend time with the therapist just as we do with good supportive friends who make us feel better. I've had both kinds of therapists (though the distinction is not always black and white).
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Originally Posted by puzzle_bug1987
What about insurance companies? They want to see progress and they don't want to pay indefinitely for therapy. What if they do a review and decide the therapy isn't helping and they won't pay anymore? I can see that self pay has advantages, but some people can't do that and they rely on insurance companies.
I do think the relationship is important, but is it enough to keep going on and on? Is it unreasonable for the therapist and client to believe that one day therapy will end somehow? It can't just go on and on can it?
I don't know. I can see many different angles to "does therapy have to have goals" and I'm just not sure what is okay, so to speak. It's VERY, VERY confusing to me. 
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Yes, also a good point. What insurance companies consider "goals" or endpoint is of course not the same as the goals a client has. Basically the insurance companies don't want to pay for therapy that's not going anywhere. Think of it as medical treatment. Be it meds or exercises or surgery, the insurance company pays for something that gives results, so that the person with, say, back pain, is mostly pain free and able to go back to work and contribute to society.
Psychotherapy is more complicated because it's kind of like anything goes in terms of what counts as therapy and treatment, which leaves too much room for unethical behavior and exploitation of clients. So last couple of decades psychologists associated with universities done some research to decide which kinds of treatments work and have empirical support (partly in effort to try to get insurance companies to cover therapy). CBT is way more likely to be covered these days (it's structured, straight forward, time limited, has great research evidence supporting it), than if you go for therapy to, say, actualize your potential or find yourself or just go with no conscious agenda. Of course you can go for any reason you like, that's the freedom you have, it's just that many companies won't pay for it then.
Lastly, I agree, this is confusing, which is why the different opinions on this thread too. Based on the results of the poll, most people agree with some sort of goal, but many others value the relationship quite highly, third being the growth argument.