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I think therapy must have clear goals; once they are reached, it is time to end. 2 3.57%
I think therapy must have clear goals; once they are reached, it is time to end.
2 3.57%
I think therapy has evolving goals so that ongoing therapy can be helpful 31 55.36%
I think therapy has evolving goals so that ongoing therapy can be helpful
31 55.36%
I think therapy does not need goals, we can just go with the flow and work on issues as they come up. 17 30.36%
I think therapy does not need goals, we can just go with the flow and work on issues as they come up.
17 30.36%
I think therapy is about learning from the ongoing relationship between the T and client, which evolves and brings new insights. 20 35.71%
I think therapy is about learning from the ongoing relationship between the T and client, which evolves and brings new insights.
20 35.71%
I've never thought about this and have no opinion. 1 1.79%
I've never thought about this and have no opinion.
1 1.79%
I go to therapy because I enjoy it. 5 8.93%
I go to therapy because I enjoy it.
5 8.93%
I go to therapy for personal growth beyond what I can define, to live the fullest life possible. 15 26.79%
I go to therapy for personal growth beyond what I can define, to live the fullest life possible.
15 26.79%
Other 3 5.36%
Other
3 5.36%
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Old Mar 09, 2015, 03:38 PM
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I had a really horrible childhood myself and I thought I had all those things with my first therapist, but it ended very badly. I understand what you're saying, but I also thought he would never "kick me out" and he did. I had ALL of that, I thought. The support, the unconditional regard and I thought I was getting benefits from it, but in the end it was horribly traumatic. It was so damaging. I know everyone doesn't experience this, but I also never thought it would end that way. I envisioned a "good" ending where I could go back if I needed, but I wouldn't really need to that often. I never dreamed it would end so badly. Do you think your insurance will pay indefinitely? I think that is good if it will. I don't know that many will.
I know that others have had the kind of experience you describe, but I have had conversations with my T about my specific situation and we have agreed that-- short of her moving, having a health issue, etc-- ending therapy will be MY choice. I also know that I will most likely be moving in the next 2 years because of my job and, when that happens, I will either terminate or switch to occasional phone sessions. I feel 100% confident that my T will follow through on what we have discussed. She knows, just as well as I do, how much therapy is continuing to benefit me-- she says so explicitly. I have absolutely no concerns about this in my specific case.

Yes, my insurance will continue to pay. I have insurance through the University and it is absolutely fantastic insurance. The University (which I do not want to name) is one of the biggest centers for psychological research in the US and has it written into its health care policy that faculty/staff/students can use in-network psychological services indefinitely with a $10 co-pay. My T has a private practice, but she is "affiliated with" the University and is "in-network." She has clients with my same University insurance plan who have been seeing her far longer than I have. She has some clients who have been with her for 8 years-- since the day she opened her practice here. She has not kicked them out, either. She said the only reason she has EVER terminated a client-- without their agreement-- was when they violated the boundaries of the relationship. She said that, in 17 years of practice, she has never kicked a client out because they did not have "big enough" problems or had "been in therapy too long." She does not believe in that.
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Old Mar 09, 2015, 07:14 PM
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What happens when you're seeing a therapist for the attachment and the warm fuzzy feelings (I don't mean this disrespectfully. I do understand that we need this in our lives. I just couldn't think of any other way to put it) and you have no goals and one day the therapist starts wondering where the therapy is going? What if they talk to a supervisor and they decide therapy isn't really going anywhere and there's no justification for continuing it? Maybe it isn't unethical, but are there many therapists who will just see someone who wants the relationship and nothing more? Or is that what we're talking about?
If you know that's what you want, some therapists go with it. Like I said, this is a business after all. They give you what you want. As long as they follow the code of ethics and don't trick the client into thinking they need more sessions or have some deeper problems, they're not necessarily being unethical. So somebody goes to them and is aware they want a nice relationship and the therapist provides that, and that's that.

Other therapists of course, won't go for that. Especially if they have people on the waiting list to see them or if the insurance companies want progress to keep paying for it, even if the client has no goals the therapist will bring up the issue to see if the client is really there to make progress or just to spend time with the therapist just as we do with good supportive friends who make us feel better. I've had both kinds of therapists (though the distinction is not always black and white).

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What about insurance companies? They want to see progress and they don't want to pay indefinitely for therapy. What if they do a review and decide the therapy isn't helping and they won't pay anymore? I can see that self pay has advantages, but some people can't do that and they rely on insurance companies.

I do think the relationship is important, but is it enough to keep going on and on? Is it unreasonable for the therapist and client to believe that one day therapy will end somehow? It can't just go on and on can it?

I don't know. I can see many different angles to "does therapy have to have goals" and I'm just not sure what is okay, so to speak. It's VERY, VERY confusing to me.
Yes, also a good point. What insurance companies consider "goals" or endpoint is of course not the same as the goals a client has. Basically the insurance companies don't want to pay for therapy that's not going anywhere. Think of it as medical treatment. Be it meds or exercises or surgery, the insurance company pays for something that gives results, so that the person with, say, back pain, is mostly pain free and able to go back to work and contribute to society.

Psychotherapy is more complicated because it's kind of like anything goes in terms of what counts as therapy and treatment, which leaves too much room for unethical behavior and exploitation of clients. So last couple of decades psychologists associated with universities done some research to decide which kinds of treatments work and have empirical support (partly in effort to try to get insurance companies to cover therapy). CBT is way more likely to be covered these days (it's structured, straight forward, time limited, has great research evidence supporting it), than if you go for therapy to, say, actualize your potential or find yourself or just go with no conscious agenda. Of course you can go for any reason you like, that's the freedom you have, it's just that many companies won't pay for it then.

Lastly, I agree, this is confusing, which is why the different opinions on this thread too. Based on the results of the poll, most people agree with some sort of goal, but many others value the relationship quite highly, third being the growth argument.
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