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Old Dec 17, 2015, 11:53 PM
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therapists work with their minds and their emotions, regulating both to evaluate and treat their clients difficulties. There are people that excel in this type of work, people that coast through the day, and people that hate their work and it is obvious.

Therapists are accepting of behaviors that most people would judge, criticize, and even punish. They get into details when most people would run away. And they put their own freedom at risk every time they close the door.

Many therapists have worked in mental hospitals and prisons. They have been verbally abused, inappropriately touched, had bodily fluids thrown at them, been assaulted, hospitalized, and some killed by their clients. They have had clients follow them home and ring their doorbell at 3 am.

And then they are yelled at by their boss/client and are told they can't be trusted because they get paid and are doing it for the money.

I don't know if it's necessarily a job, but I'd say anyone who gets into a field with these sorts of potentials is definitely working.
SO agree with this! I think they have an exhausting job. Not just some factory job where you're doing something, but your mind may be somewhere else. I'm sure being a therapist can be way more exhausting than most physical jobs.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 12:14 AM
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There are other jobs where clients verbally abuse, physically attack, inappropriately touch, kill, tell horrible details to , etc the practitioner - many types of law have that happen, teachers have it happen etc. It was pretty common when I was a public defender to experience these sorts of things. And the public defenders I know actually did something for their clients.
I think therapists see themselves as working at a job. I don't know that it matters about the money part or not - is something only a job if you get money or do you actually have to do something? If you do something but don't get paid = is it a job? If you don't actually do anything but do get paid - is it a job?
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 05:15 AM
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I would say to some, its more than a 'job', it's a part of who they are. Their purpose.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 05:42 AM
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Let's say it's not. Then what? Do we run out into the streets protesting?
Make it News headlines "therapist don't have real jobs".
I think who ever or what ever triggered this thread is trying to demorilize that which they fear. And/or they doubt their own profession.
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Well many jobs do not produce tangible results. Unless one works in industry producing some type of merchandise, many jobs don't produce anything. It is still a job. I don't produce anything. I still work my butt off so do therapists.

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Old Dec 18, 2015, 06:50 AM
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As a thought experiment, lets assume that its not a job, and therefore there are no more therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, etc. No more at all, as in, they don't exist.

Would there be a noticeable impact in society if therapy, psychological assessment, and psychiatric medications didn't exist?

Would your life be better, the same, or worse without ever having access to these services again?

If so, what would that look like? If not, why not?
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 07:16 AM
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As a thought experiment, lets assume that its not a job, and therefore there are no more therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, etc. No more at all, as in, they don't exist.

Would there be a noticeable impact in society if therapy, psychological assessment, and psychiatric medications didn't exist?

Would your life be better, the same, or worse without ever having access to these services again?

If so, what would that look like? If not, why not?
I would be dead. Seriously.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 08:47 AM
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 09:04 AM
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Any work or service exchanged for money is a job. No more no less, no matter what value judgement someone places on it.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 09:16 AM
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My life would be pretty much the same. The lives of some of my clients would be better and the lives of other clients would possibly be shorter.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 09:22 AM
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As a thought experiment, lets assume that its not a job, and therefore there are no more therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, etc. No more at all, as in, they don't exist.

Would there be a noticeable impact in society if therapy, psychological assessment, and psychiatric medications didn't exist?

Would your life be better, the same, or worse without ever having access to these services again?

If so, what would that look like? If not, why not?
I don't follow this question at all. Just because something is re-classified as not a job, doesn't mean it wouldn't exist.

There are already opinions on this thread that athletes, say, are not practicing a job. Yet athletes exist.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 10:01 AM
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I find it interesting that on one thread - people are insisting it is the client who "does the work" (whatever the hell that means) and that therapists even say all they do is show up and here we get oh it is so hard to be a therapist - do they really get it both ways?
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I find it interesting that on one thread - people are insisting it is the client who "does the work" (whatever the hell that means) and that therapists even say all they do is show up and here we get oh it is so hard to be a therapist - do they really get it both ways?
Because we work together . . . It isn't an either/or situation. It isn't a one or the other situation. The therapist's job does serve a very important purpose as and that IS work and IS his/her job. But I also cannot just passively sit there and expect him/her to "do" that job and it just magically work. Do your students have a job to do as well as you? Of course. Could they learn and grow without your teaching? Maybe/maybe not. You teach, you facilitate, you steer them in the right direction . . . but they have their part to do also, and if they never do their part (with or without you) . . . they aren't going to make progress.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 10:26 AM
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I don't see a therapist as being like that - but I see that others do.

Still the contrast amuses me.
But I don't really care if they consider it a job or not - I assume therapists do consider it that way. I tell the woman what I think of her profession - it does not seem to bother her that I can tell.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 11:19 AM
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It's really funny to see this post because prior to therapy, I didn't think it was a real job--now I do, they have to put up with a lot and I'm sure it's a mental and emotional struggle for them to do their jobs well on top of being professionally proficient. However, the other day I was having a slight meltdown with my T, saying that I didn't see the point in discussing a particular topic since the main reason I started therapy was to get a diagnosis and my T said, "You could've just gone online and looked up the symptoms yourself and given yourself a diagnosis"

I was a little shocked at that one.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 11:26 AM
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Many people rely on medication or/and therapy not only to function but sometimes to survive. My life maybe wouldn't change much ( it would change but only some) as I do not have mental illness or any significant disorder but I know people who do and who rely on mental health professionals to stay alive and healthy .

Those who don't think it's not a job why pay them then. Seems unreasonable to me but it's ok if others just give money to people who in their opinion do not perform any work.

If we go by the idea that clients are the ones who do the work then by this logic what I do is not a job either as actually students do the work and students show growth, not me.

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Old Dec 18, 2015, 11:44 AM
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Being a therapist is of course a real Job. I wouldn't like sitting there day after day listening to clients and their problems.
They must have to train very hard to be a therapist.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 12:27 PM
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I think all jobs that exist are real jobs. Some may be difficult, some easier, some even obnoxious, but I think saying a job isn't "real" is only saying something about one's own values. The only jobs I think aren't real are ones in Sci Fi literature that have nothing to do with the real world.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 12:30 PM
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For me,working for money = job.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 12:58 PM
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Some actors get paid to act. I think therapy is like acting. They get to paid to act. So it's a job I guess. I have pretty much no respect for the profession, but some do I guess.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 01:04 PM
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There are other jobs where clients verbally abuse, physically attack, inappropriately touch, kill, tell horrible details to , etc the practitioner - many types of law have that happen, teachers have it happen etc. It was pretty common when I was a public defender to experience these sorts of things. And the public defenders I know actually did something for their clients.
I think therapists see themselves as working at a job. I don't know that it matters about the money part or not - is something only a job if you get money or do you actually have to do something? If you do something but don't get paid = is it a job? If you don't actually do anything but do get paid - is it a job?
Loved your questions - they crossed my mind too. I volunteer and have for four years now and I take it more seriously than some people do their paid jobs. On the other hand, I must admit I do take my paid work more seriously than volunteering. I see it as a matter of personal priorities whether or not someone gets involved and actually does something and makes even unpaid work a job. But I think that any paid work is a job. Even people who are just showing up and doing very easy stuff, still have a task to do (showing up and performing some action) and are remunerated for it. If one gets paid without even the slifghtest effort, I think that would be a gift.
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 02:02 PM
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But I think that any paid work is a job. Even people who are just showing up and doing very easy stuff, still have a task to do (showing up and performing some action) and are remunerated for it. If one gets paid without even the slifghtest effort, I think that would be a gift.
Or rent - I consider what I pay them to be high priced rent.
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Or rent - I consider what I pay them to be high priced rent.
But doesn't that make what your therapists do some kind of job? Your therapist has a place for you to go (office) and a chair (unless you bring your own, which I know you've done) and they sit there and listen. Even if you don't want the first one to speak, she's still there each week. If that set up didn't serve some kind of purpose for you and you simply wanted to pay someone rent, wouldn't you just rent out your own office space, go in, sit down and vent to the wall for 50 minutes? For that matter, you could probably go out to your garage and vent for 50 minutes and not pay any rent! Why pay a middle man/woman who does nothing other than provide space? But then, it's fine if you do because it works for you and you're giving them a job--providing space for you to vent!
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I don't follow this question at all. Just because something is re-classified as not a job, doesn't mean it wouldn't exist.

There are already opinions on this thread that athletes, say, are not practicing a job. Yet athletes exist.
I'm not trying to re-classify something as not a job, and apologies to you. I'm trying to engage in a thought experiment separate from the job issue.

I should have written it differently:

Thought experiment: Imagine a world without therapy, psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.

i.e. Sigmund Freud, Albert Ellis, Aaron T. Beck, Marsha Linehan, Carl Jung, Carl Rogers, etc. were never born.

Life without therapists in this imaginary world. Better quality of life for everyone?
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Old Dec 18, 2015, 04:09 PM
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But doesn't that make what your therapists do some kind of job? Your therapist has a place for you to go (office) and a chair (unless you bring your own, which I know you've done) and they sit there and listen. Even if you don't want the first one to speak, she's still there each week. If that set up didn't serve some kind of purpose for you and you simply wanted to pay someone rent, wouldn't you just rent out your own office space, go in, sit down and vent to the wall for 50 minutes? For that matter, you could probably go out to your garage and vent for 50 minutes and not pay any rent! Why pay a middle man/woman who does nothing other than provide space? But then, it's fine if you do because it works for you and you're giving them a job--providing space for you to vent!
I am not necessarily arguing they don't perform some function. Landlord is a job I suppose. I never said those guys did not think they were doing a job.
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