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Old Apr 03, 2016, 09:17 AM
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Why do you have to do them? Just because voices in your head say so?
What would happen if you didn't? Please let someone help you live.
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Old Apr 03, 2016, 11:27 AM
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So eventually you need to harm other people because you are told so?

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Old Apr 03, 2016, 11:29 AM
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Do they deserve to be harmed

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Old Apr 03, 2016, 06:10 PM
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I never said anyone deserved anything it is just the way it is.
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Old Apr 03, 2016, 06:23 PM
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I never said anyone deserved anything it is just the way it is.
What would happen if you didn't do what they say? At least with harming people? You mention a time limit...what happens at that point?
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Old Apr 03, 2016, 06:45 PM
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I never said anyone deserved anything it is just the way it is.


But wouldn't you feel bad if innocent people end up suffering or dead? Do you feel it's worth it? Do others want random people dead or specific people? Is there any pattern in who they want to get harmed?
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Old Apr 03, 2016, 08:57 PM
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I never said anyone deserved anything it is just the way it is.
It's just the way it is for YOU - by justifying harming others, with such credence in order to gratify your own needs is sick. In reality no one should be harmed and the responsible thing to do would be to have yourself closely monitored so that no one around you can be harmed.
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Old Apr 03, 2016, 09:16 PM
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Ok let me make this VERY clear I DO NOT WANT to harm people this whole situation is very complicated and I would appreciate if others did NOT make assumptions about my reasoning and motives for anything because I can tell you all right now NONE of you know the whole story and NONE of you have enough importation to make such assumptions.

This is directed at everyone but mostly pickles.
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 02:57 AM
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Never said you said that you wanted to hurt people but whether you will or not comes into question given the way you describe your situation - we can only reply to what is written on here, no assumptions are being made. I'm responding exactly to what you have conveyed.

Also you can direct your response all you want - if you don't want to hear other people's ideas or contradictions to what you want to hear don't post on a public forum.

I won't be commenting on or reading any more of your posts - all the best with it all.

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Old Apr 04, 2016, 04:40 AM
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It's just the way it is for YOU - by justifying harming others, with such credence in order to gratify your own needs is sick. In reality no one should be harmed and the responsible thing to do would be to have yourself closely monitored so that no one around you can be harmed.
OK, I don't really know how to say this in a nice way -- I thought Eden did a good job of trying -- but I find the way this comment was phrased to be hurtful. Is it possible that Eden is doing her best to contain feelings or something that come about from living with a family that either doesn't care or doesn't know how to show that they care about her? And instead of complaining about them she is just doing her best to get some help for herself? Not saying that's the case, just a possibility?

Unfortunately we live in a world where despite our best efforts and motives people do hurt each other sometimes. That's reality. Not perfect.

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Old Apr 04, 2016, 06:19 AM
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I am not sure I understand the last paragraph. Eden said she has creatures and demons in her head telling her to harm and kill people. And in the last paragraph you state "people do hurt each other sometimes". People sure do hurt each other but this paragraph makes no sense in the context.

I am not holding against Eden how she feels, it's not her choice but the last poster confused me a bit. "That's reality, not perfect". What reality? What reality are you referring to?

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Old Apr 04, 2016, 07:40 AM
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The "outside world", social reality. People hurt each other, sometimes unintentionally. Sometimes when we feel threatened we do things for our own survival, or self-defense, that harm others.

I don't know what Eden's internal world, her subjective experience is. We all have our own, is my view anyway. What I am reading in Eden's posts is most frequently a cry for help in dealing with that. I can understand if she feels she needs more than or something different than her health care team know how to provide at the moment.

All of that is for Eden to decide. As scared or worried as we may feel sometimes about what Eden writes, we don't know, as she has pointed out, what her internal world is like and it may function very differently from what most of us experience. Hopefully all that will get better with time and some good help. Which I hope she can find and get.
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 08:42 AM
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It's just the way it is for YOU - by justifying harming others, with such credence in order to gratify your own needs is sick. In reality no one should be harmed and the responsible thing to do would be to have yourself closely monitored so that no one around you can be harmed.
yes this post was hurtful very hurtful
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 08:59 AM
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both my internal and external world are very complicated and though i have been trying all my life to explain them both to doctors, teachers, parents and many more i dont think i can. there are feelings i dont have words for and things that can only really be felt to be understood. i have lived between 2 worlds my whole life and each one comes with different things, creatures, beings, things that i cant explain.
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 11:28 AM
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See if this internal world brought you happiness we wouldn't say anything. But you post how unhappy it makes you so we naturally think you might want to try changing it to make it better

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Old Apr 04, 2016, 04:36 PM
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See if this internal world brought you happiness we wouldn't say anything. But you post how unhappy it makes you so we naturally think you might want to try changing it to make it better

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I am so done another hurtful post and seriously I just asked practically begged for people to STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS about my motives/intentions/reasons and the like. I have tried changing it FYI but actually no I am not doing this again I don't have the energy.
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 06:56 PM
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I am so done another hurtful post and seriously I just asked practically begged for people to STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS about my motives/intentions/reasons and the like. I have tried changing it FYI but actually no I am not doing this again I don't have the energy.
i am not sure how you see that post as hurtful (not denying you do, just wondering what your point of view is on it). I see it as Divine saying that you seem quite unhappy, and that is why people are trying to understand and give you advice due to your unhapiness. If your demons and you worked together symbiotically, and you were happy about it....then you probably wouldn't be posting here
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 07:24 PM
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I am so done another hurtful post and seriously I just asked practically begged for people to STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS about my motives/intentions/reasons and the like. I have tried changing it FYI but actually no I am not doing this again I don't have the energy.


There wasn't anything hurtful in the post and I am not assuming anything. You said you are suffering and in pain and don't know what to do. I didn't make anything up. I never suggested your reasons or motives. I don't know them. I only go by what you share which is a lot of pain and suffering. I am very sorry you are suffering but I didn't assume a thing. Just what you shared
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 07:27 PM
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If you are happy and content and feel well, then I'd never say otherwise. But it's not what you have been sharing with for the past few months. We aren't making it up

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Old Apr 04, 2016, 08:40 PM
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" so we naturally think you might want to try changing it to make it better" this line is what is hurtful you are assuming i have not tried to do anything about it just because i havent tried the way you want me to does not mean i havent tried at all.
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 09:01 PM
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both my internal and external world are very complicated and though i have been trying all my life to explain them both to doctors, teachers, parents and many more i dont think i can. . .
Sounds as if you would like for people to understand, if we could, and if we could do it without freaking out and making assumptions or judgments?
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Old Apr 04, 2016, 09:06 PM
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Sounds as if you would like for people to understand, if we could, and if we could do it without freaking out and making assumptions or judgments?
yes that would be nice
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