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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:19 PM
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I share my own experiences and opinions. I do have an opinion about the whole profession. I don't tell others what they should or should not do about therapy - have at it any way you like is how I see it. I think a lot of things are nuts, but, have at it if you are satisfied. Most don't want what I do with the therapist I hire and I have been told to go away, that I am not doing it right, that I should quit and so on.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:29 PM
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I think maybe this isn't 100% fair? To use another example, I hate Mother's Day. People on Facebook talking about how great their mothers are, wishing their mothers happy mother's day, knowing that if I go out to brunch or dinner there will be lots of celebrations with mothers at the center of them. It's all very painful to me because I lost my mother when I was young. Maybe I 'should be' happy for people who still have their mothers around well into middle age, but it's actually an extremely painful day for me, and all this mother/child happiness around me reminds me of a terrible loss and a pain that haunts me terribly.

So I could see how hearing about people's happy experiences with therapy, where therapy has proven to be an excellent experience that has been amazingly helpful and healing or whatever, could be a painful or disturbing experience to someone who had entered therapy in good faith hoping for a similar outcome and who is feeling wounded by an adverse experience.
That's why there is another forum for them. It's a private forum. If people who are betrayed by Ts and hate therapy want a place to vent, then that's the forum to go to. Not here.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:30 PM
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It all fits together. No segregation of good and bad experiences. Plus it changes for a lot of people - one time a good experience - one time a bad one. Why can't one just not read the ones that one does not find useful. Again - this topic has over 150 entries and the happy therapist one has 3 - clearly this is a topic people like to discuss.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:31 PM
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Then close the other forum. Talk to the moderators. Clearly they think there should be segregation. If I'm not mistaken, most the people here who hate Ts requested their own forums. They also wanted segregation.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:32 PM
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Transference that occurs in therapy (or out of therapy, for that matter) is not always positive and, therefore, does not always engender feelings of love, desire, aspirations to be like the object of the transference feelings. My T works very hard to keep me from experiencing transference - I've not asked why - though it does seem to be a distraction to the process. Most of my transference has been negative. No love feelings, here.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:33 PM
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People deserve to know the good and the bad about therapy.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:44 PM
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Hypocrisy abounds. LOL.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:44 PM
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People have a right to tell their stories too. But to generalize their "distain" and support it is like supporting racism (another generalized "distain").

Support the people and their experience. Not necessarily the beliefs.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:45 PM
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I disagree. I support skepticism.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:45 PM
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That's why there is another forum for them. It's a private forum. If people who are betrayed by Ts and hate therapy want a place to vent, then that's the forum to go to. Not here.
I don't think there's a rule saying that - I disagree with you that people who feel betrayed should go to another forum. Why not just use the ignore button if you don't like these posts? We all have the power to customize our experience on this board.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:49 PM
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I thought this forum was for those In therapy. I get the strong feeling some give the tiniest acknowledgement to being in therapy just so they can remain in this board and attempt to poison it for others. Only one or 2 I get this feeling from. Call me mad. Lol.
There's a sense I get that I feel what's genuine and what's not. Some have legitimate T issues. You can feel their trouble. Others take a soapbox approach that doesn't feel quite right. I don't think those kind want their own forum. This forum is exactly what they want. They can't convert the converted shall I say.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:49 PM
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Transference that occurs in therapy (or out of therapy, for that matter) is not always positive and, therefore, does not always engender feelings of love, desire, aspirations to be like the object of the transference feelings. My T works very hard to keep me from experiencing transference - I've not asked why - though it does seem to be a distraction to the process. Most of my transference has been negative. No love feelings, here.
My therapist discourages transference as well. I think it's his orientation - he started out as a CBT person and it seems he has kept bits of that as his style of working has evolved.
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:50 PM
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You can disagree, but the forum is there for a reason.

People who post about ET, their posts get move over to that forum. Why? People who ask for support of a loved one on that specific disorder get moved to caregiver support forum.

People wanted their own forum for "Clients betrayed by Ts". Why then if they want their negativity here and complain about the positivity?
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Old Jul 04, 2016, 11:51 PM
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Is ignoring something you don't want to read really that hard?
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:01 AM
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Seems to me it's the same ****, different day.

"I'm not generalizing that all therapy is invasive and harmful!"

Yeah, right.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:05 AM
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Ok. LOL. No hate or animosity here at all. Yeah, right.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:10 AM
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I cheerfully and without remorse generalize about therapy and therapists as a whole. It is fine with me that others don't agree with me. If it is working for you - go for it. How I (or anyone else except maybe the therapist hired) feels or thinks about it simply does not have any bearing on someone else's experience. My generalizations and beliefs can't hurt you.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:11 AM
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You can disagree, but the forum is there for a reason.

People who post about ET, their posts get move over to that forum. Why? People who ask for support of a loved one on that specific disorder get moved to caregiver support forum.

People wanted their own forum for "Clients betrayed by Ts". Why then if they want their negativity here and complain about the positivity?
The reason the private forum is there doesn't seem to be so that these posts can be moved over there, because that hasn't been happening.

I don't see any reason why we can't all coexist. I am interested in a wide variety of perspectives, even people whose experiences and outlooks don't mesh with mine.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:15 AM
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I cheerfully and without remorse generalize about therapy and therapists as a whole. It is fine with me that others don't agree with me. If it is working for you - go for it. How I (or anyone else except maybe the therapist hired) feels or thinks about it simply does not have any bearing on someone else's experience.
How wonderful that you take ownership of your generalizations, Stopdog.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:16 AM
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I try.

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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:22 AM
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My therapist discourages transference as well. I think it's his orientation - he started out as a CBT person and it seems he has kept bits of that as his style of working has evolved.
I think the one I see has encouraged it - but luckily it did not work. She has said insane things like I could use her as the good mother and that bonding with her would be a good thing, and that she was not the enemy and the second said she hoped I would view her as an ally.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:25 AM
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So challenging/criticizing certain aspects of therapy is now being conflated with hate of therapy and all therapists. OMG. Talk about a leap of logic.

I declare that this thread has officially jumped the shark.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:30 AM
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:30 AM
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It might have been my fault.

I'm sorry if I made it go off track.
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Old Jul 05, 2016, 12:49 AM
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That's why there is another forum for them. It's a private forum. If people who are betrayed by Ts and hate therapy want a place to vent, then that's the forum to go to. Not here.
Ok boss. Do let us know if you change your mind.

Are there any other groups you'd like to segregate and marginalize?
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