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Old Apr 02, 2017, 11:01 PM
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It isn't pita bread - it is injera
I like Ethiopian food on occasion, but Ill take pita bread any day over that bread with the texture of the spongy bottom of a mushroom cap. 🍄
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Old Apr 03, 2017, 09:19 AM
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That doesnt injera my feelings cuz i have boundaries!
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Old Apr 03, 2017, 02:16 PM
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And some boundaries are going to be nebulous. A therapist may agree to between session e-mailing and then find the client abuses the privilege to the point of harassment. If the therapist takes the privilege away will the client think that the therapist has unfairly tightened the boundaries that he set in the first place?
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Old Apr 03, 2017, 05:12 PM
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And some boundaries are going to be nebulous. A therapist may agree to between session e-mailing and then find the client abuses the privilege to the point of harassment. If the therapist takes the privilege away will the client think that the therapist has unfairly tightened the boundaries that he set in the first place?
If the therapist frames it that way -- as a privilege to be taken away -- then I'd say it's basically a parent-child relationship and there are bigger problems than whether emails are answered. In my experience this kind of punitive, infantilizing language is the default when it comes to boundaries in therapy.
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If the therapist frames it that way -- as a privilege to be taken away -- then I'd say it's basically a parent-child relationship and there are bigger problems than whether emails are answered. In my experience this kind of punitive, infantilizing language is the default when it comes to boundaries in therapy.
I am a little uneasy with the notion of email as a privilege, and it's definitely not the way my therapy works. I use email regularly in my therapy. It's not a privilege- it's just a means of communication. I can't quite get my head around a construct that identifies one adult sending another an email as a privilege.

But my therapist and I are both probably a little unusually conscious of issues of authority and hierarchy generally and we both blanch at hierarchical therapy approaches.
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Old Apr 03, 2017, 08:04 PM
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And some boundaries are going to be nebulous. A therapist may agree to between session e-mailing and then find the client abuses the privilege to the point of harassment. If the therapist takes the privilege away will the client think that the therapist has unfairly tightened the boundaries that he set in the first place?
My guess is the client could feel s/he was treated unfairly. Or maybe the therapist feels they were treated unfairly? The therapist could screw up and over extend themselves with emails or the client can screw up and email too much when they don't need to. That's part of the interpersonal skill, i think-negotiating boundaries and dealing with consequences. Everyone will be different in their views of 'unfair' 'hurt' 'wrong' etc. Using concepts like 'upset' certainly minimizes the concept of 'harm'. I think if the therapist has a healthy sense of self, they would be reasonable. OTOH, a lot of people have problems with people pleasing, taking care of others-therapists could be very prone to that. People overextend themselves worrying about making the other person happy (even when the person never asked) then start to resent it and later get angry and pull back.

A a lot of boundaries are going to be nebulous, probably more often than not so interpersonal factors are a big deal. Preventing harm is not people pleasing and trying to appease others. As was mentioned in a previous post, balance might be the key. But i totally think harmful does not mean 'not upsetting someone'; it's more like this:
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There’s a difference between healthy boundaries and rigid boundaries. You don’t want to be a controlling or dictatorial person.Controlling People and Their Hidden Side
This blog post does a good job explaining some of this, at least for me it did...setting a boundary as a healthy thing to do vs using it to control and manipulate:

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Q&A: Are You Setting Boundaries Or Just Being Manipulative?

When we try to control another person and use the phrase, “I’m setting a boundary on you,” we’re not defining it properly. What we are trying to do is control their negative behavior so we don’t get hurt or feel anxious. Boundaries are something we set for ourselves, not for the other person. Let me give an example:

If I told you that you could not smoke cigarettes in my presence, I’m trying to control you. If I say instead, if you choose to smoke around me, I will have to leave, that’s a boundary. I am not controlling you I’m taking care of me. I don’t want to breathe in smoke, it’s not good for my health and if you decide not to honor my needs, I will have to set a boundary that I can’t be around you when you smoke.

It can get confusing if I say, “You can’t smoke in my home.” I may be saying that because I want to protect me and my health, or the air in my home, which is being a good steward and taking responsibility for me. Or, I might say it because I don’t like you smoking and am trying to get you to stop and I’m attempting to take responsibility for you (your smoking habit). Then it is controlling. Sometimes boundary setting does feel fuzzy and isn’t crystal clear to both parties why you are doing what you are doing.

https://thecounselingmoment.wordpres...-manipulative/
I can understand more why therapists are often recommended to be more clear about boundaries than outside of therapy, for one because it's easier to not harm someone. I still think it was more useful for me to do it the other way, which is more like relationships outside of therapy. Definitely more payoff in that sense. I think for some therapists, having automatic boundaries is just laziness.

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