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Old Nov 29, 2017, 05:29 PM
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Gee. Off the top of my head I can list at least a dozen ways that therapy was harmful to me personally. And this is my grievance with the profession. They don't seem to research harm in the profession, they don't listen to consumers, they don't seem to care. When they occasionally deign to decree some wisdom on iatrogenesis, it seems flipped off the top of their "good brains," and following Uncle Freud's arrogant cloudprints, as often as not blaming the client/patient. Please assume that I walk, drive and function and am not posting this from my regular sink at the Port Authority ladies room.
I liked the fact that Lambert was at least uttering/writing the words "treatment failure" rather than, of course, client failure.

Harm and "failure" are a little different. And what is "failure" from a therapist's perspective may very well be different from all the ways that therapy harmed and failed me. But the rejection prevented me from "continuing" treatment with my last therapist. And I didn't just feel rejected, she said she didn't have the emotional resources to continue treating me.

The rejection, and shame, then had extremely adverse effects on me, because of issues I went into therapy with from the beginning. Ironically the the last "treatment failure" may have ended up helping me to work through some stuff and help myself. But I doubt seriously that I could have done that without the social support of PC, as I've said.

There's also a lot in my story that's like a refugee from a cult, but that's another topic.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 06:01 PM
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They don't seem to research harm in the profession, they don't listen to consumers, they don't seem to care.
That appears to be the bottom line. Seems insane and thoroughly corrupt, given that their customer base includes a lot of people in distress.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 06:30 PM
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They don't seem to research harm in the profession, they don't listen to consumers, they don't seem to care.
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That appears to be the bottom line. Seems insane and thoroughly corrupt, given that their customer base includes a lot of people in distress.
Or perhaps "narcissistic" or otherwise "toxic"?

Here's an article from the main PC site. How many of the things "abusers and manipulators say to their victim" has a therapist said to you?
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 06:31 PM
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They don't seem to research harm in the profession, they don't listen to consumers, they don't seem to care.
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That appears to be the bottom line. Seems insane and thoroughly corrupt, given that their customer base includes a lot of people in distress.
Or perhaps "narcissistic" or otherwise "toxic"?

Here's an article from the main PC site. How many of the things "abusers and manipulators say to their victim" has a therapist said to you?

https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psych...s-abusers-say/
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 06:33 PM
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Harm and "failure" are a little different. And what is "failure" from a therapist's perspective may very well be different from all the ways that therapy harmed and failed me. But the rejection prevented me from "continuing" treatment with my last therapist. And I didn't just feel rejected, she said she didn't have the emotional resources to continue treating me.

The rejection, and shame, then had extremely adverse effects on me, because of issues I went into therapy with from the beginning. Ironically the the last "treatment failure" may have ended up helping me to work through some stuff and help myself. But I doubt seriously that I could have done that without the social support of PC, as I've said.

There's also a lot in my story that's like a refugee from a cult, but that's another topic.
I have an annoyed reaction to Lambert's word "rejection." It has predetermined/parental/power connotations to me, like a mother animal refusing to nurse its young. I'd prefer words like distance, alienation or disconnection which feel (to me) more like a breakdown between two equal human beings.

That said, much of my therapy failure was not an alienation at all. It was the shared delusion, the play acting, the destructive symbiosis. But then, it was the alienation with my co-therapists that started my chain of examining everything.
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Old Nov 29, 2017, 08:45 PM
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 08:00 AM
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Or perhaps "narcissistic" or otherwise "toxic"?

Here's an article from the main PC site. How many of the things "abusers and manipulators say to their victim" has a therapist said to you?

https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psych...s-abusers-say/
Yep, that was my experience in therapy—the provider as the Voice of Authority providing the interpretations and narrative, essentially writing both roles of the script. I was the enfeebled vessel for their neediness.
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Old Nov 30, 2017, 09:53 AM
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Yes a lot of those sounded quite like the woman
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