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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:04 AM
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You mention that there are lots of therapist in your area. You might want to consider emailing the ones that you are interested in explaining your situation, and if they would consider signing up with your VA program. I would include the VA contact info for therapist to sign up or have it at the ready when they respond to you.

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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:15 AM
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According to my understanding, EMDR can be quick and successful when there is a concrete and isolated trauma, some particular traumatic event that stems out. I would be really surprised if it worked well with complex PTSD which by definitions is, well, complex and where it is really difficult to figure and recall what kind of incidents the trauma is really made up of. It could be that the whole childhood background was inherently traumatic, although it looked completely normal then because it was the only thing that the child knew.

I've had emotional backslashes that don't associate with really anything. No memory, no narrative, just a horrible intolerable feeling that comes from somewhere and then vanishes into somewhere, without me being able to make any sense of it. I doubt EMDR would be of much help here.
Well, my counselor says I don't have to have a specific, traumatic memory. I can work with a feeling. That can lead to memories. For me, I'm willing to try anything that might help.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:18 AM
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Well, my counselor says I don't have to have a specific, traumatic memory. I can work with a feeling. That can lead to memories. For me, I'm willing to try anything that might help.
Sure, why not!

I personally don't have much belief that for instance preverbal memories can be recalled by feeling. Especially when what caused these intense intolerable feelings was not some concrete particular trauma event but most probably just plain ordinary everyday emotional neglect.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:26 AM
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Sure, why not!

I personally don't have much belief that for instance preverbal memories can be recalled by feeling. Especially when what caused these intense intolerable feelings was not some concrete particular trauma event but most probably just plain ordinary everyday emotional neglect.
I don't know about pre-verbal memories, but I have enough memories of being upset in childhood to work with, at least for now. Every little bit helps.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:28 AM
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I don't know about pre-verbal memories, but I have enough memories of being upset in childhood to work with, at least for now. Every little bit helps.
I was just trying to point out that EMDR is not a magical cure for trauma because traumas, especially complex ones can be too complex for such a simple method.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:34 AM
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And I was just trying to mention it as something that might help someone who may be unaware of it's existence.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 12:00 PM
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According to my understanding, EMDR can be quick and successful when there is a concrete and isolated trauma, some particular traumatic event that stems out. I would be really surprised if it worked well with complex PTSD which by definitions is, well, complex and where it is really difficult to figure and recall what kind of incidents the trauma is really made up of. It could be that the whole childhood background was inherently traumatic, although it looked completely normal then because it was the only thing that the child knew.
There's reasonable research that suggests EMDR can be helpful for more complex traumas. It may be for the same reasons that body-based therapies can produce quick and significant assistance in complex PTSD that talk therapy hasn't worked with. See Bessel van der Kolk's book, The Body Keeps the Score.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 02:01 PM
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I'm one of those for whom talk therapy does not help. EMDR, SE, Brain Spotting all help. I don't have specific memories of trauma either. More of a failure to attach (mom was quite ill both physically and mentally after my birth). T3 believes that even something as preverbal as my mom being ill while pregnant can set the body/mind up for stress that can be helped with the non-talk kind of therapy.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 02:34 PM
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Have any of you checked into EMDR? It seems to be the preferred therapy for PTSD, and can help very quickly.
Tried EMDR at first and it pulled up so many other negative memories I stopped. I don't think the provider was trained well enough in this practice. Maybe that would have made a difference. I think EMDR would work better for PTSD where the trauma is more easily identified.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 02:35 PM
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According to my understanding, EMDR can be quick and successful when there is a concrete and isolated trauma, some particular traumatic event that stems out. I would be really surprised if it worked well with complex PTSD which by definitions is, well, complex and where it is really difficult to figure and recall what kind of incidents the trauma is really made up of. It could be that the whole childhood background was inherently traumatic, although it looked completely normal then because it was the only thing that the child knew.

I've had emotional backslashes that don't associate with really anything. No memory, no narrative, just a horrible intolerable feeling that comes from somewhere and then vanishes into somewhere, without me being able to make any sense of it. I doubt EMDR would be of much help here.
I agree. EMDR didn't work out for me.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 02:37 PM
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You mention that there are lots of therapist in your area. You might want to consider emailing the ones that you are interested in explaining your situation, and if they would consider signing up with your VA program. I would include the VA contact info for therapist to sign up or have it at the ready when they respond to you.

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The therapist I used before, that I was working well with, doesn't want to be involved with the VA. I would hate to get a therapist to do all this paperwork and we not be a good fit. I'm sure there's a reason why private therapy doesn't want to be attached to a government agency.
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